Diane Abbott

[Flowerly]

To say that Diane Abbott is doing her best to help the Labour Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

Hideous antisemitism seemingly not gone away at all and add that to the horrendous misogyny in the Labour Party I wonder at this point why ANYONE would vote for them.

AIBU?

I’m not sure how you managed to extrapolate that from Flowerly’s post?

I disagree - that's just your black and white thinking.

Fwiw I am an ex Labour party member who is completely politically homeless. I will vote for no one and intend to spoil my ballot (again) with a sticker which says that women are adult human females.

Sorry that post was to Whataretheodds

Me too.

Very common in the 50s and 60s

David Baddiel breaks down antisemitism and racism here.

You'd think!

The modern day Conservative party is less racist than Labour. And less sexist. Despite intuitive assertions due to where they feature on the ‘spectrum’.

Of course the Tory party would never use the most popular woman's site in the country to push anti-Labour narratives or far-right European racist tropes. would they....

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4784644-to-think-its-shocking-how-bad-britain-has-fallen-apart-compared-to-other-european-counties?page=22

Flowerly · 15/04/2023 09:36
Sweden has thrown women and girls under the bus and have been trying to keep the rise in rape/sexual assault quiet. It is the wrong kind of perpetrator you see.

suburbophobe · 14/04/2023 22:13

Sweden has mass killings and rapes.

You really can't throw that out there without giving some evidence i.e. a link or two @TodayInahurry

I read two country's news and have not come across that kind of sensationalist reporting. If true it would be all over the worldwide headlines I reckon.
I also have friends in Sweden.

Admittedly I haven't read this whole thread, but where does OP fall into that trap? Because I certainly can't see anything in her post suggesting Tories aren't racist. For many on the left racism and bigotry is assumed to be the norm from Tories, so it often feels more shocking when it comes from the left who supposedly have a long history of fighting racism (unlike the Tories). I was quite actively involved with Labour for decades but witnessed appalling antisemitism towards some Jewish people in CLP meetings. Unfortunately this "honourable history" of anti-racism you speak of very often doesn't apply to some minority groups in Left 'spaces', groups who don't comfortably fit their un-nuanced anti-globalisation narrative. And there's plenty of evidence of it on this thread too, and that's my takeaway from only from reading a few pages. Whataboutery is not the way to acknowledge and fight racism and discrimination. It just encourages more division.

In the 16,17, & 18 th centuries , there were plenty of white, not white seeming, just white, Britons being abducted and sold into slavery rim the south and west coasts of England by ‘Barbary Pirates’ ( Arabs). The women were much prized in the harems, the men often ended up on the rowing benches of the galleys.

St. Vincent de Paul, a French priest , was captured at sea in the Mediterranean and spent two years in the galleys.

‘Rule Britannia’ actually celebrates the revival and success of the British Navy in stopping the slave trade into North Africa.

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves how lucky you are..you sound so high and mighty, never touched by the slings and arrows of life? Racism, discrimination, prejudice, what's the difference eh?

I wish world history was given more prominence in schools.

Yes, agree with this, and buried my head in my hands when I saw the news this morning. As another PP said, it's such an embarrassing display of ignorance. Did she think all those security guards in Stamford Hill are standing around outside schools just for fun?! There's a 10-minute video by the zen taxi guy on YouTube that shows more intelligence and empathy towards the Jewish community than she has.

She's my MP and because she always gets such a huge majority, the other parties don't really bother with Hackney much. Last election, the other candidates were a Toryboy who looked about 17 and some green/libden middle class types who, though well-meaning, had very little political experience. Plus a whole roster of independent weirdos with an axe to grind.

Goodness knows what the next election holds for us now 🫣

What? I actually have no idea what you're talking about, or what you have taken from my post?

What exactly is "high and mighty" about saying that I have experienced prejudice but recognise that this is not remotely the same as system racism? Can you explain?

What about his blacking up etc?

I can assure you that Jewish people are subject to plenty of remarks.

Having someone tell you it's a shame you weren't all gassed when you're merely waiting at a bus-stop with your husband and newborn is pretty chilling and upsetting.

"White Gold" by Giles Deacon is the account of one Thomas Pellow from Cornwall who was kidnapped and held as a slave for decades in Morocco.

What an awful thing to say.

😱 that's horrendous, absolutely awful. I'm so sorry you were subjected to that.

Are there really people on here defending this bloody woman?!

What’s a bit scary to me is that clearly her views are so acceptable to the people she associates with that she felt it was okay to put them in writing and publish them.

When serious allegations starting being levelled at the Labour Party and Corbyn, I was really sceptical as I assumed in this day and age antisemitism was so unacceptable it couldn’t be possible at such an institutional level. Clearly, I was very wrong.

It must be very scary for British Jewish people.

@Abhannmor what zionist lobby?! As a Jewish woman, in the UK, I experienced anti-semitic hate crimes growing up, as did the rest of my family on multiple occasions. It was not simply 'prejudice' as Diane Abbot suggests; there is security in all Jewish schools and nurseries (on all spectrums of religious observance) not because we experience some 'prejudice' against us, but because there are real, credible, documented, ongoing threats against my community. Calling out Diane Abbot's minimisation of what Jews (and Irish and Traveller people) face has nothing to do with a 'zionist lobby'. Why are you a) conflating Jews and Zionists, and b) assuming that if JEWS speak out against anti-semitism, it must be driven by some all powerful 'zionist lobby'?

I would say it felt a little bit worse than 'prejudice' when at a London pro-palestinian rally some supporters shouted "Fuck the JEWS. Fuck their daughters. Fuck their mothers. Rape their daughters", and JEWS were targeted and attacked. Jew does not equal zionist. Something you, as they did, clearly fail to grasp.

I think the history of slavery goes back a lot further than that.

I think it's about time . Every time that women opens her mouth nothing but utter crap comes out .she's an embarrassment.