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to think most blended family situations are unhappy

586 replies

Nimbostratus100 · 17/04/2023 08:30

From my experience of many decades as a secondary school tutor, I would say most of the time when children talk about step parents, there is tension and misery ( from the children's point of view, not necessarily the parents)

I am going to say 75% of situations are unhappy, by which I mean most of the children are somewhat unhappy, or one or more child is very unhappy, or the situation breaks down because of parent or child unhappiness. Breakdown could mean the relationship between parents breaks down, or the relationship between a child and step parent breaks down to the extent a teen becomes homeless, or moves out

So to answer this, you probably need to know at least 4 blended family situations reasonably well, yours as a child, parent, or other people's.

I am expecting that some parents will vote that it is happy, when that isn't accurate, as I am aware this is quite common, and the child has a very different feeling than the parent.

However, I will be pleased if I cam completely wrong about this, and lots mare happy! I just dont see it in teaching.

YABU - less than 75% are unhappy
YANBU - 75% or more are unhappy

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Nimbostratus100 · 19/04/2023 11:00

VWHoliday · 19/04/2023 10:41

@Nimbostratus100 What age did you teach?

secondary

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DryYourEyesWeepingWillow · 19/04/2023 11:03

I have told you what I think - I think most blended family situation are unhappy as I have defined unhappy. The poll and this thread seem to bear that out

@Nimbostratus100 that wasn't what that poster has been asking you though. She was saying that her children have been put in that situation by their other parent and what is she meant to do about this to protect them from it because it is miserable for them.

Nimbostratus100 · 19/04/2023 11:07

ZeroFuchsGiven · 18/04/2023 14:51

Please remember this is an anonymous forum, Just because someone says they are something/someone that does not automatically make it true. Op has claimed to be many things on different posts other than a 'Teacher'.

so , explain this to me.

In your mind, if someone is a teacher, does that preclude them being anything else as well? How does that work?

To be a teacher, you first need to be an expert in something, before you train. Do you think teacher immediately abandon their first interests and careers when they become qualified? (CLUE- teachers are expected to remain up to date in their area of expertise)

What about outside of school hours? Can teachers be other things at other times? Are they allowed to volunteer, for example, are they allowed to have a family life? Are they allowed to be involved in their community, or be politically active/

Or do you somehow believe, like some children seem to, that teachers are powered down and stored in a cupboard when schools close.

Are you one thing only? Does your career define your whole life absolutely? Do you ever do any other work, volunteering, activity, sport, parenting, politics, hobbies, travel, or just generally experience life?

Please explain your mindset - I find it fascinating

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Nimbostratus100 · 19/04/2023 11:10

DryYourEyesWeepingWillow · 19/04/2023 11:03

I have told you what I think - I think most blended family situation are unhappy as I have defined unhappy. The poll and this thread seem to bear that out

@Nimbostratus100 that wasn't what that poster has been asking you though. She was saying that her children have been put in that situation by their other parent and what is she meant to do about this to protect them from it because it is miserable for them.

sorry, I didn't see that question - the thread just took off and got far too long for me to keep up with.

clearly there is nothing anyone can do about the situation their ex creates for the children during their time, other than love and support them when they are with you, which I am sure the poster does.

I am not judging individuals, I am just making an observation- based on what I see at school - and which doesn't often seem to be acknowledged

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VWHoliday · 19/04/2023 11:11

Theelephantinthecastle · 19/04/2023 10:48

In the OP they literally say that they think 25% are happy!

There are also options that aren't stay in an unhappy relationship or blended family. Be single or date but don't blend.

We blended - it worked!

VWHoliday · 19/04/2023 11:16

Nimbostratus100 · 19/04/2023 11:00

secondary

When they were at secondary schooI can guarantee if you'd have asked my DSC if they were happy with their Mum's partner who they lived with and their sibling they had at ours they would have said yes.

We are all pretty nice people though.

VWHoliday · 19/04/2023 11:18

@Nimbostratus100 Somebody commented you fostered when your children were young, is this true?

Theelephantinthecastle · 19/04/2023 11:23

VWHoliday · 19/04/2023 11:11

We blended - it worked!

Good for you?

Nimbostratus100 · 19/04/2023 11:28

VWHoliday · 19/04/2023 11:18

@Nimbostratus100 Somebody commented you fostered when your children were young, is this true?

yes, why? fostered for many years! ( that is how I acquired my children, as it happens) It isn't really the same though. For a start, foster children and own children are never left unsupervised together even for a moment. And social services monitor the relationship constantly. Also, I was later on only short term/ emergency, which means that I normally only had foster children less than half of the days each month. Sometimes foster children would arrive late at night - leave first thing in the morning, and never meet my own children at all - typically slave children found in late night cannabis farm busts, given to me to feed and bed, and collected again the morning - as an aside - I met children who had clearly never seen a bed before and had no idea what to do with it 😥

Many people do long term, and it does have to be very carefully supervised and managed, I dont think blended families are supervised, assessed and managed like foster families. Or have arrangements immediately anything goes wrong.

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VWHoliday · 19/04/2023 11:35

Nimbostratus100 · 19/04/2023 11:28

yes, why? fostered for many years! ( that is how I acquired my children, as it happens) It isn't really the same though. For a start, foster children and own children are never left unsupervised together even for a moment. And social services monitor the relationship constantly. Also, I was later on only short term/ emergency, which means that I normally only had foster children less than half of the days each month. Sometimes foster children would arrive late at night - leave first thing in the morning, and never meet my own children at all - typically slave children found in late night cannabis farm busts, given to me to feed and bed, and collected again the morning - as an aside - I met children who had clearly never seen a bed before and had no idea what to do with it 😥

Many people do long term, and it does have to be very carefully supervised and managed, I dont think blended families are supervised, assessed and managed like foster families. Or have arrangements immediately anything goes wrong.

OK!

If you think that's safer than my SC being blended with their half sibling when they came to us then you think that. I don't agree.

VWHoliday · 19/04/2023 11:37

Theelephantinthecastle · 19/04/2023 11:23

Good for you?

Thanks, we are all quite happy about it!

Even though I know you being sarcastic 😃

aSofaNearYou · 19/04/2023 11:45

If you think that's safer than my SC being blended with their half sibling when they came to us then you think that. I don't agree.

Yes I agree, it does seem a bit rich. Neither blended families or fostering are done with your own children in mind and either could be detrimental to them. Or might not.

Nimbostratus100 · 19/04/2023 11:45

VWHoliday · 19/04/2023 11:35

OK!

If you think that's safer than my SC being blended with their half sibling when they came to us then you think that. I don't agree.

there are certainly dangers in fostering too.

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Nimbostratus100 · 19/04/2023 11:48

aSofaNearYou · 19/04/2023 11:45

If you think that's safer than my SC being blended with their half sibling when they came to us then you think that. I don't agree.

Yes I agree, it does seem a bit rich. Neither blended families or fostering are done with your own children in mind and either could be detrimental to them. Or might not.

my own children were foster children, so obviously fostering them was not detrimental to them! I have a birth child, but didnt foster until they were grown up.

But yes, you are right, fostering also has risks. And most fostered and adopted children are unhappy.

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ZeroFuchsGiven · 19/04/2023 11:49

@Nimbostratus100 I am not here to play your silly games with you. Other people can look your name up and see for themselves. You start threads to hurt and anger people. You are far from genuine by any stretch.

Nimbostratus100 · 19/04/2023 11:53

ZeroFuchsGiven · 19/04/2023 11:49

@Nimbostratus100 I am not here to play your silly games with you. Other people can look your name up and see for themselves. You start threads to hurt and anger people. You are far from genuine by any stretch.

sorry, what is this in response to? You being asked if you imagine a teacher cant possibley do more with their life than be a teacher? Being asked to explain your illogical position is "silly games"? I think calling it that is an admission your assertion is silly, itself - you cant answer, can you!😂

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DryYourEyesWeepingWillow · 19/04/2023 12:09

typically slave children found in late night cannabis farm busts, given to me to feed and bed, and collected again the morning - as an aside - I met children who had clearly never seen a bed before and had no idea what to do with it 😥

This is heartbreaking.

ancientgran · 19/04/2023 12:36

My old neighbour fostered, the house was filthy, it literally stank. She paid someone to feed her animals while she was on holiday and the woman came to my door and asked if I'd go in with her as the house scared her. She literally vomited when she went in, I stood at the door as the smell was so bad. Social workers knew, their rare visits took place with them sitting on the front wall, presumably their stomachs weren't strong enough to go in.

Carefully monitored? Do me a favour.

LaDamaDeElche · 19/04/2023 14:00

Blended families, divorces, step parents etc, have been fairly normal since I was a teen and I'm 44. The majority of us had issues with parents in general - step or birth - in our teenage years. Most people I know have grown up to have a good/decent/ok relationship with them, bar the ones where there was toxicity. The one thing that is clear nowadays is that teens are generally unhappier than they evert have been. There are more problems with anxiety, self harm, depression etc than ever. Maybe this also has to be taken into account when you speak to the teens you do. I think many other factors are at play here rather than just blended families causing unhappiness in teens.

DryYourEyesWeepingWillow · 19/04/2023 14:21

Pf course there are many factors in childhood unhappiness. However, it is possible to separate the impact of the various impacts through proper statistically valud research while controlling for others, so to dismiss family circumstances on that basis is wrong when we know it is one of the biggest contributors to childhood happiness and also wellbeing as an adult, and one of the few things that parents do have some choices about, unlike general cultural factors outside the home. Sorry, but that comment just seems like a "shrug and pass the buck", to me.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 19/04/2023 14:48

Eggpie · 17/04/2023 18:37

Nc for this. I am a social worker so this is both my personal and professional experience.

On one hand it’s brilliant that relationships can be relatively easy to walk away from these days. There’s benefits to support single parents now and women can work professional jobs and there is little stigma about breaking up or divorcing. People can now leave toxic relationships much more freely and are not shackled to an idiot they married at 20 when they’re 50. All great stuff so far.

However the flip side of this is when children come into play. There is a massive breakdown of both the family unit, extended family and general community which is wrecking havoc on our children. The fact that the pursuit of our own individual happiness above all else has been rammed down our throats in recent decades has not benefited society, children or ourselves. This is reflected across all classes and the impact has resulted chaos, lack of stability and mental illness in our community.

typical modern day example:

Becky, 20, has a baby called Bella with Harry 22. After several years the relationship breaks down due to infidelity, Becky now 24, leaves with now 4 year old Bella and sets up on her own and Bella stays at dad Harry at weekends. Becky and Harry love their daughter and coparent amicably.

Becky always wanted 3 dc and of course marriage and companionship like everyone else. Of course Becky has a right to happiness and should not write off her right to love, marriage and family at 24 years old.

Harry also desires a partner and is only 26 years old. He too should not be destined for life without a life partner at 26.

So Becky and Harry both start dating again. Harry is able to date quite a lot due to not being the resident parent so quickly manages to have 3/4 relationships over a 2 year period. As hes able to spend a lot of time with each new woman he dates it progresses quit quickly each time meaning that Bella has met at least two girlfriends over the 2 year period. Neither relationship has lasted which happens but Bella has now gone instability from her mum and dad splitting up to meeting 2 of dads ‘friends’ and never seeing them again and she’s still only 6 years old.

Becky hasn’t been able to dad as freely as Harry due to childcare commitments and work. She dates when she doesn’t have Bella but it’s harder to keep the momentum of a new relationship going when you have little free time. Eventually she meets Dan after 18 months of being single. Dan is really sweet and a great match for Becky. Becky introduces Dan to Bella and they get on great. Becky moves Dan in after a year. Bella is now 6.5 years old.

Everything blends well. Bella gets on well with Dan and her dad Harry has now also found someone called Rachel who she regularly sees at her contact time at her dads. Rachel regularly brings her own 2 kids over to play with Bella who are a similar age.

A further year down the line and Becky and Dan are married and start TTC and Becky is pregnant. Harry has also moved in with Rachel and her two children. Becky and Dan have their baby and Bella dotes on the baby.

At this point Bella is now 7.5. She has two ‘step’ siblings at her dads house and a ‘step mum’. She has a ‘step’ dad at her mums house and a new half sibling.

A further year on and Harry and Rachel have now broken up as moving in together hasn’t quite worked out. It ended amicably however Bella will likely not ever see Rachel and her two kids again.
Becky and Dan have also welcomed another baby.

Wind forward to 5.5 years. Bella is 14, Becky 34 and Harry 36.

Dan has changed since the two dc came along. Generally lazy, not pulling his weight and being crap all around. Becky has tried and tried to make it work with Dan but he doesn’t change. Becky decided it was easier to go it along and leaves with her 3 dc.

Harry in the last 5.5 years has also met someone. Over the 5.5 years they have moved in together and him and the new partner have a baby on the way.

…..

So if we look at the above. Bella has gone through so much by the age of 14 years old. She has made connections with people (Rachel, Rachel’s kids, Dan) that have been broken, she’s witnessed break ups, adults moving in and adults moving out. She’s dealt with new siblings etc all by the time she’s 14 years old. Infact realistically she experienced a lot by 7 years old.

Now do I think it’s wrong for Becky or Harry to have desired relationships/companionship after Bella? No. Not at all.

But where do you draw the line? Becky now has a 5, 7 and 14 year old. Harry a 14 year old and baby.

Now look at the general impact of this to society:

Chances are Becky will probably at some point want companionship again as a woman in her mid thirties which will repeat the blending cycle to her younger dc if the new partner has kids of his own.

Dan will likely go on to meet another another woman. She may have kids of her own inflicting blending to her own dc and Dan and Becky’s dc.

Rachel probably met someone else after her break up with Harry thus inflicting blending with another man onto her kids. Rachel’s kids dad may have also done the same.

If Harry and his new partner don’t work out then his new partner will probably also go on to date again especially if she wants more dc, thus also repeating said cycle.

….

So where does that leave the children in our society? Unstable home environments from almost every direction. There is a mental health crisis with our young people and I strongly believe the current breakdown of family/security/stability/community is a massive factor amongst others.

I purposefully left abuse out of this typical example. However when you also factor in abuse and the fact that it’s statically higher for children to be abused by stepparents/boyfriends/girlfriends within the family home. Then it’s actually chilling. At least of those children in the example (Bella, her half siblings, her parents partners children) will be abused at some point on top amongst the various blending.

But abuse aside, where do you draw the line?!

Haven't RTFT but this is an excellent post, and I'll be really sad if it's drowned out by loads of people wailing "so women have to be single forever?!?!?!?!" at you.

VWHoliday · 19/04/2023 15:13

fitzwilliamdarcy · 19/04/2023 14:48

Haven't RTFT but this is an excellent post, and I'll be really sad if it's drowned out by loads of people wailing "so women have to be single forever?!?!?!?!" at you.

Well that is pretty complicated, irresponsible and sounds like characters out of Eastenders. I know this happens but come on it's not all blended families. Is it 75% of all blended families? I wouldn't say so. The happy families are not usually seen by social workers.

Franxx68 · 19/04/2023 15:51

Bluebells1970 · 17/04/2023 09:59

I would love to know the percentage of children who say that their parent going on to have more children with a new partner enhanced their lives.

Very few, I'd imagine.

Me! I couldn't imagine a world without my two half brothers. I'm 32 now and they are very much part of my life and I love them both dearly. What a stupid comment.

DryYourEyesWeepingWillow · 19/04/2023 16:42

@Franxx68 that's greatand lovely to hear. 💙 But you are a person not a percentage. 😆

aSofaNearYou · 19/04/2023 16:43

DryYourEyesWeepingWillow · 19/04/2023 16:42

@Franxx68 that's greatand lovely to hear. 💙 But you are a person not a percentage. 😆

A person saying something that is incredibly common for people to say on here.

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