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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not want to live with my child again?

325 replies

Namechangeteach · 14/04/2023 11:53

This an attention seeking, goady title, sorry, but I've posted about this situation before and got no responses so I'm deliberately braving it in here. It's likely to be long in order to avoid drip feeding, but I'm happy to clarify details I may forget.

As mentioned, I've posted of this before, and I've namechanged because this is outing and I don't fancy the rest of my posting history being attached to this issue.

Long story short, some time ago, earlier this year, my eldest DS had some sort of meltdown. For context, DS is (now) 16, he turned 16 a few weeks ago. His father and I split before he was 2. Ex was/is abusive, coercive, controlling and a true narcissist. I am still processing and working through the trauma the relationship left me. I have, however, been extremely happily married to my now DH for 10 years and we have 3 younger DC together: 1 teen and 2 primary aged. DS1 always lived with me/us, and called DH dad through his own choice, though he knows he is SD and has had mostly regular contact with his father.

DS1 was diagnosed with Asperger's aged 5 and has struggled socially and educationally comensurate with this, though he is academically very capable. He is deeply embarassed by his diagnosis, despite our best attempts to destigmatise. We have always accepted and loved him the way he is, however he has also always been an extremely difficult child - beyond that expected with an ASD diagnosis. He is manipulative, deceitful, has been violent when younger, has a history of stealing and of making false accusations of abuse/discrimination in order to deflect from his own misdemeanours - this has been aimed at multiple adults over the years: teachers, step-parents and parents. Living with him has for some years been fraught with tension, due in part to us being on edge waiting for him to do something anti-social, and in part to our fear of enforcing any sort of boundaries because, for many years now, this has resulted in false accusations of physical abuse. He has never been abused, physically or otherwise.

Most recently, I was the one chosen to feel his wrath. It's never been me before. After several incidents at school regarding violence and their suspicion of him vaping/selling vapes on site (I've since found out he is/was, but they've not been able to catch him in the act) I removed his phone. I don't routinely check my teens phones as feel at 15/16 they deserve some privacy and we have solid restrictions in place on them, but he was extremely angry that I'd dared to take it to look as this is 'controlling' He responded by leaving the house at 11pm and going to his Dad's, where he then reported me to the police for an 'assault' that is entirely fabricated. I was arrested the morning after, held for 12 hours and interviewed under caution. I was then released on bail, with conditions that state I am not able to have any direct or indirect contact. This restriction seemed awful at first, but has possibly been a blessing in disguise.

As my username suggests, I am a teacher - well, still a student. I'm half way through SCITT. This investigation has meant I've not been allowed in any schools at all, my training is on hold. I've had to go on medication for anxiety and developed PTSD and agoraphobia. It's been horrendous. DS1 has been placed on a CiN plan whilst at his Dad's - our DC here have no SS involvement at all. It's now approaching my bail date, and DS1 has been messaging DS2 on snapchat. This means there's no trace of their conversation, but DS2 says that DS1 is miserable. He hates his life at his Dad's, he hates his SM and he desperately wants to come home. He claims that 'when' the police ask him if he wants to proceed with prosecution of me, he is going to decline (I'm well aware that's not how this works, but he genuinely believes he can choose whether to press charges or not: too much American TV/films). He has asked DS2 to ask DH and I if he can come home.

So, AIBU to feel like I have to say that no, this can't happen? My youngest DS has ASD too and has found this life change very difficult already. My DD is younger still and I am loathe to model acceptance of such coercive behaviour in the home. DS2 doen't deserve to be used as a go-between (I have not responded to/via DS2 at all and won't do so. I also wouldn't stop him talking to his brother though). My career may well be in tatters before it's even begun and I don't think I could ever relax and feel sure that I won't face this sort of 'punishment' from DS1 again. I've missed him terribly the last few weeks, but I've also slept so much better and I don't feel a constant anxiety when the phone rings of 'what now?' My SCITT have been fantastically supportive and will welcome me back to finish the course when the investigation is concluded with NFA, I would be terrified constantly that it would be ruined again. Not to mention my DH who has been an incredible support, but there's no denying he's found this extremely difficult. Without asking, I know he'll support my decision making either way, but I also know he would also be inclined to want to say no, though he'd be loathe to say it out loud. In short, I think we've all been through enough over the last decade.

But... I'm still DS1's Mum. The thought of him being miserable hurts deeply. I obviously want to make that go away. I just have no idea what to do. Am I being selfish?

Appreciate all viewpoints, but please don't be deliberately unkind, I am still very delicate. Thank you.

OP posts:
Grimbelina · 14/04/2023 22:20

Betaalpha your post isn't just stunningly naive, it is dangerously naive.

Wiccan · 14/04/2023 22:25

Betaalpha · 14/04/2023 21:44

I think you should give him another chance. He probably learned a good lesson. You and dh might give him firm boundaries and guide him towards a career and he can develop his own path in life very soon. He's probably lost and directionless in your exs house, so while him not being around is a bliss in the short run for you, it'll create bigger problems in the long run for him, and this bigger misery, as a loving mum, for you.

I really don't think you understand the type of behaviour OP is dealing with ?

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:29

What exactly for you would constitute a serious enough act for the op to be allowed to protect herself and her other children?

I didn't suggest at all that she doesn't do this. In fact I specifically noted that of course she should. Do not attempt to twist my words, thank you.

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:30

What do you suggest she does?

I specifically answered this as well. Can people not read?

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:32

Are there any which involve OP's son living with her that don't put her, her DH and other DC at risk?

Again, I didn't suggest he moves back in with her. I stated that it's not appropriate for him to be living with an abuser.

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:33

This is patronising and ridiculously emotive. The OP isn't washing her hands of her DC if she is making sure she is actually able to advocate for him, by, you know, not being in custody for instance.

What? Where have I suggested she do anything that's likely to put her in custody?!

Serious comprehension issues on this site.

Mumsanetta · 14/04/2023 22:37

@WhereHasTheSunshineGone you either haven’t read the full thread or you’re the one who lacks comprehension skills. Quite funny, really.

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:37

It's mind boggling the absolute crap people have posted in response to my comment. Try reading it again and then you're welcome to apologise for your idiotic comments to me.

Grimbelina · 14/04/2023 22:37

WhereHasTheSunshineGone I think the issue with comprehension is yours.

Another false allegation could put the OP or someone else in custody, or worse, again. Hence the OP can't have her DS back at home with her.

If you can't offer up a path that the OP can pursue to find alternative/possibly safer accommodation for her son, then what exactly is the point of your post?

RantyMcGee · 14/04/2023 22:38

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:32

Are there any which involve OP's son living with her that don't put her, her DH and other DC at risk?

Again, I didn't suggest he moves back in with her. I stated that it's not appropriate for him to be living with an abuser.

Tell that to family court. They order unsupervised, overnight contact with the perpetrators of domestic abuse every day. And if the non-abusive parent doesn’t facilitate this, they can be held in contempt of court. Not to derail the whole thread.

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:38

Mumsanetta · 14/04/2023 22:37

@WhereHasTheSunshineGone you either haven’t read the full thread or you’re the one who lacks comprehension skills. Quite funny, really.

Nope. Read it all thanks. Every single one of the idiotic comments to me was claiming I had said things I either had not said, or that I'd said something which was specifically the opposite of what I said. So either those people are attacking me for no reason on purpose, or they can't read properly.

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:41

Grimbelina · 14/04/2023 22:37

WhereHasTheSunshineGone I think the issue with comprehension is yours.

Another false allegation could put the OP or someone else in custody, or worse, again. Hence the OP can't have her DS back at home with her.

If you can't offer up a path that the OP can pursue to find alternative/possibly safer accommodation for her son, then what exactly is the point of your post?

Why would she get another allegation from doing what I said?

I did offer up another route: engaging with ASD charities, looking into residential schools etc, to get him away from the abuser (once she is allowed to talk to him with the help of professional support). At NO POINT did I suggest he should move back in with her. In fact I specifically stated that she needs to protect herself and her other kids so it is obvious she can't do that. That doesn't mean it's ok to leave him living with an abuser and do nothing.

Like I said, if from my post you have taken that you think I was saying she should have him live with her again then you can't read.

Mumsanetta · 14/04/2023 22:41

@WhereHasTheSunshineGone please accept my apologies then. If you have read the full thread and still stand by your comments it’s idiocy that’s the issue, not comprehension.

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:42

Mumsanetta · 14/04/2023 22:41

@WhereHasTheSunshineGone please accept my apologies then. If you have read the full thread and still stand by your comments it’s idiocy that’s the issue, not comprehension.

Idiocy yes. But it doesn't belong to me. Got a mirror around?

Bamboux · 14/04/2023 22:42

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:33

This is patronising and ridiculously emotive. The OP isn't washing her hands of her DC if she is making sure she is actually able to advocate for him, by, you know, not being in custody for instance.

What? Where have I suggested she do anything that's likely to put her in custody?!

Serious comprehension issues on this site.

You know, if a very large number of people all seem to 'misunderstand' something you've said, it's probably not a misunderstanding.

Yes, you paid lip service to her protecting herself and her other children.

But everyone correctly read the overall intent and meaning of your post, which was to tell her to once again prioritise the needs of her manipulative, dangerous son and to carry on pursuing endless avenues of so-called 'help', none of which have made any difference at all in the preceding sixteen years, during which his behaviour has become ever-more malicious and dangerous.

We all read your repeated use of words like 'vulnerable', 'disabled', 'kid', etc. intended to trivialise the harm and trauma he has caused, and to recentre and refocus on his needs, rather than those of the OP and her other children.

Do you know what? It is OK, beyond a certain point, for the OP to put herself and her children first and foremost. Her eldest son is already doing horrendous, appalling things with extremely serious real-world consequences. It is OK for her to turn her back on him, temporarily or permanently. It is OK for her not to worry, for the first time in sixteen years, about his needs, or what is best for him, or to exhaust herself chasing 'services' or whatever. It is OK for her to wash her hands of him for the time being.

And yes - it is OK even if it does damage him. That is what the OP needs to hear, because it is true. Becoming a mother doesn't mean she has to sacrifice herself forever.

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:45

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WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:47

But everyone correctly read the overall intent and meaning of your post, which was to tell her to once again prioritise the needs of her manipulative, dangerous son

Just like this. You've made that up. I didn't say anything like this.

I said exactly what I meant, so no I won't accept some made up subtext you've added to it. If that was what I meant to say then I would have. I didn't say that at all. So stop fabricating nonsense and trying to put words into people's mouthes and read the ACTUAL words they have written.

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:48

Do you know what? It is OK, beyond a certain point, for the OP to put herself and her children first and foremost

And I said this myself! So what's your point?! Confused

Mumsanetta · 14/04/2023 22:49

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It must be so tough for you living in a world where so many other people are thick and you’re the smart, enlightened one.

Wiccan · 14/04/2023 22:51

Bamboux · 14/04/2023 22:42

You know, if a very large number of people all seem to 'misunderstand' something you've said, it's probably not a misunderstanding.

Yes, you paid lip service to her protecting herself and her other children.

But everyone correctly read the overall intent and meaning of your post, which was to tell her to once again prioritise the needs of her manipulative, dangerous son and to carry on pursuing endless avenues of so-called 'help', none of which have made any difference at all in the preceding sixteen years, during which his behaviour has become ever-more malicious and dangerous.

We all read your repeated use of words like 'vulnerable', 'disabled', 'kid', etc. intended to trivialise the harm and trauma he has caused, and to recentre and refocus on his needs, rather than those of the OP and her other children.

Do you know what? It is OK, beyond a certain point, for the OP to put herself and her children first and foremost. Her eldest son is already doing horrendous, appalling things with extremely serious real-world consequences. It is OK for her to turn her back on him, temporarily or permanently. It is OK for her not to worry, for the first time in sixteen years, about his needs, or what is best for him, or to exhaust herself chasing 'services' or whatever. It is OK for her to wash her hands of him for the time being.

And yes - it is OK even if it does damage him. That is what the OP needs to hear, because it is true. Becoming a mother doesn't mean she has to sacrifice herself forever.

This . For OP it will probably be the first time she'll breath calmly and sleep soundly .

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:51

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WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 22:53

Read it again. And maybe next time read properly before you start ranting about things that haven't been said. Confused

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 23:04

Not sure why Mumsnet deleted that post. Absurd given I'm the one being falsely accused of saying all kinds of things I never said at all. That the OP should have her son move back in with her: no, not said that, I said the opposite, that she must protect herself and her other children so obviously now he cannot live with them. That the OP should tolerate abusive behaviour: no, not said that, I said that her son should not be living with an abuser either as he is still a child. That the OP should breach her bail conditions: no, not said that, I said clearly she cannot contact him at the moment at all, obviously. Comments saying "well you've not suggested any alternatives?" when my post clearly stated what alternatives I'd suggest, in terms of organisations that could provide support as a third party, therapy and interventions he needs and maybe help him into supported independent living or a residential school so that he NEITHER lives with OP or her abusive ex.

But you keep on making up random stuff that's the opposite of what I said and making me out to be the bad person when I'm actually one of the only posters on the thread who suggested some ways the OP might be able to help her son whilst also protecting herself and her other children. By engaging other relevant people to help him when she is allowed to, rather than just saying "fuck him he must be a psycho" like many other posters whose comments like that about a 16 year old are apparently fine but mine should be reported.

Mumsnet hang your head in shame for deleting what I said which is pretty much identical to this post as I've just typed it out again. But go ahead and delete this too if you like.

I honestly don't know what's wrong with some people but they need a long, hard look in the mirror.

WhereHasTheSunshineGone · 14/04/2023 23:07

Mumsanetta · 14/04/2023 22:41

@WhereHasTheSunshineGone please accept my apologies then. If you have read the full thread and still stand by your comments it’s idiocy that’s the issue, not comprehension.

Oh I think actually it may have been my comment to this poster that was deleted. The poster who told me my "issue" is idiocy. And my post in response pointing out that idiocy rests with those who cannot actually read what has been posted and make up things the other poster hasn't said is the one that has been deleted. 😵‍💫🤣

saraclara · 14/04/2023 23:11

The squabbling is not helping OP. Maybe we can get this thread back on track?