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Do you think it is ok for men to post sexualised reviews of women's knickers on M&S website?

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EllenLRipley · 13/04/2023 20:48

M&S does:

https://www.marksandspencer.com/se/kalina-embroidery-high-leg-knickers/p/P60574443.html

IABU: It is fine
IAMBU: Women do not want to be used to facilitate men's fetishes, they should delete sexualised reviews

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tona79 · 14/04/2023 10:34

MistyGreenAndBlue · 14/04/2023 10:22

Quite frankly, this ought to be discouraged as well

I don't know why men think this is a good idea

I'm with you there, it was frankly hilarious (and a joyous memory), I was about 20, mid 1990's. There I was, on lingerie with two female sales assistants and in would come the awkward fellow:
Him: Errr, I'm, errr, looking to buy some, err, underwear for my wife, for Christmas.
Me: Of course sir, do you know her size.
Him: Err, no
(oh jeez, thats a return straight away)
Him: Do you stock, err, err, suspenders.
Me: SUSPENDERS (loud voice), absolutely sir, we have a wide range of SUSPENDERS. at this point the chap would invariably make for the stairs and my two female colleagues would be crouching down behind the sales desk in fits of laughter.
The fast show was on at the time, and I modelled my "lingerie saleman" persona on the "suit you" sketch, much to the amusement of my colleagues! - no internet back then for reviews of course, but we did get piles of returns after Christmas, box loads.

gruffalosgrandma · 14/04/2023 10:34

I clicked on OP’s link last night and the offending review was there. I looked again just now and it’s gone ! I wonder if M&S read Mumsnet 😱

MistyGreenAndBlue · 14/04/2023 10:41

tona79 · 14/04/2023 10:34

I'm with you there, it was frankly hilarious (and a joyous memory), I was about 20, mid 1990's. There I was, on lingerie with two female sales assistants and in would come the awkward fellow:
Him: Errr, I'm, errr, looking to buy some, err, underwear for my wife, for Christmas.
Me: Of course sir, do you know her size.
Him: Err, no
(oh jeez, thats a return straight away)
Him: Do you stock, err, err, suspenders.
Me: SUSPENDERS (loud voice), absolutely sir, we have a wide range of SUSPENDERS. at this point the chap would invariably make for the stairs and my two female colleagues would be crouching down behind the sales desk in fits of laughter.
The fast show was on at the time, and I modelled my "lingerie saleman" persona on the "suit you" sketch, much to the amusement of my colleagues! - no internet back then for reviews of course, but we did get piles of returns after Christmas, box loads.

😂
You have done your part sir. I would have loved to have seen you in action

MrsCarson · 14/04/2023 10:51

gruffalosgrandma · 14/04/2023 10:34

I clicked on OP’s link last night and the offending review was there. I looked again just now and it’s gone ! I wonder if M&S read Mumsnet 😱

I just looked and it's gone. Maybe it's high time M&S actually paid attention to their target market for these products.

EllenLRipley · 14/04/2023 11:03

tona79 · 14/04/2023 09:51

As a man, I don't think that the posted comment was appropriate or tasteful at all, but we live in unusual times.
When I was a student I worked for M&S for a number of years, working between Menswear and Lingerie (the departments were adjacent!!), and its worth pointing out that at certain times of the year (xmas, valentines) quite a large number of awkward looking fellows come shopping for lingerie, I was deployed by the manager to the sales counter at these times, off memory it accounted for something like 1/3 of sales revenue in lingerie at these periods, and a huge increase in returns thereafter!!!
So men can be legitimate customers of course, and as so I guess can leave a review?

Yes, no one disputes men are allowed to buy and if they want wear women's pants. Maybe we need to end men and women's categories and have pants for all - who knows. But a review stating: My wife likes her Bday gift or "good fit, soft fabric, no vpl" is not a problem. These reviews are clearly written for the reviewer - not to benefit future shoppers.

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EllenLRipley · 14/04/2023 11:04

It sounds like some of you have been an extra in that famous Father Ted sketch: IRELANDS LARGEST LINGERIE DEPARTMENT!!!

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Clymene · 14/04/2023 11:29

Dotjones · 14/04/2023 10:25

Don't see any issue with the review on there at the moment. And if the review the OP complained about has been removed then that shows that it's not OK, case closed.

It isn't 'case closed' at all.

There are loads and loads of similar reviews. They shouldn't need women to report them - they shouldn't be there in the first place.

KarmaStar · 14/04/2023 12:05

The review just says they are comfortable and pretty.that is the only review on the link.Am I missing something?

knittingaddict · 14/04/2023 12:16

Yes, you are missing something. The review has been deleted. This could go on and on.

StarlightLady · 14/04/2023 13:14

It's a tad irritating but I assume M&S have posting guidelines in the same way that MN do. I don't think it would be practical to separate comments from men and women.

And, yes, I wear these (I have 2 pairs), female 40 something to avoid any doubt, and find them very comfy, but I don't need to read reviews to buy a couple of pairs of knickers.

aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 14:34

gruffalosgrandma · 14/04/2023 10:34

I clicked on OP’s link last night and the offending review was there. I looked again just now and it’s gone ! I wonder if M&S read Mumsnet 😱

It was taken of late last night

EllenLRipley · 14/04/2023 16:59

I just had a lovely woman call me from the M&S Chairman's office and say that they did not take the review down. She is investigating and agrees the review placed was unacceptable. The plot thickens!

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JudgeRudy · 14/04/2023 17:07

aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 14:34

It was taken of late last night

I looked about 01:30 and it was gone. Maybe the reviewer took it down if M&S didn't. I'd have loved to have read it so I could judge for myself.

Tempone · 14/04/2023 17:16

It's literally in the thread...twice

EllenLRipley · 14/04/2023 17:25

The reviewer did not take it down, nor did the chairmans office. M&S outsource the reviews management to another company. I was told repeatedly how marvellous this was by M&S customer service. I suspect this company has now shat their pants - when I contacted Archie Norman the Chairman not for this thread as they blatantly do not give a shit about what women think 💁

Does anyone have links to the other perv reviews? I would like to forward them to the lovely woman I spoke to today

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pickledandpuzzled · 14/04/2023 17:50

I'll look for the ones I found. I've been at work since mentioning them earlier.

pickledandpuzzled · 14/04/2023 17:53

So in 2 mins, second review I read... and I have slow internet today.

www.marksandspencer.com/lexington-high-waisted-high-leg-knickers/p/clp60546537?color=CLARET#intid=pid_pg1pip48g4r1c2

TheKeatingFive · 14/04/2023 17:54

It's gone. What did it say?

TheKeatingFive · 14/04/2023 17:56

Found the screenshot, thanks

pickledandpuzzled · 14/04/2023 17:56

At least 3 male wearer reviews, all upvoted by 35-45 people.

IhearyouClemFandango · 14/04/2023 17:59

Why do all these men call them panties? I know no women who call knickers panties. Pants maybe.

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/04/2023 18:06

EllenLRipley · 14/04/2023 17:25

The reviewer did not take it down, nor did the chairmans office. M&S outsource the reviews management to another company. I was told repeatedly how marvellous this was by M&S customer service. I suspect this company has now shat their pants - when I contacted Archie Norman the Chairman not for this thread as they blatantly do not give a shit about what women think 💁

Does anyone have links to the other perv reviews? I would like to forward them to the lovely woman I spoke to today

I do hope so though. I suppose the tide has turned since 2019 when mnetters wrote to the ceo mail en masse about the changing room policy only to be completely stonewalled. The reviews are discussed from page 9 (100 posts per view) so post 900 plus on thread 2 and continue on thread 3 with a screenshots of a reviews.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3733860-It-s-official-Marks-and-Spencer-have-fallen-the-sequel?page=9
This is where I learned how the open fronted gussets on women’s knickers could be utilised. There isn’t a screenshot of that review unfortunately. But it was the link on page 9 about the thong. The link is there but the product must be a discontinued item.

Page 9 | It’s official; Marks and Spencer have fallen, the sequel....... | Mumsnet

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3733860-It-s-official-Marks-and-Spencer-have-fallen-the-sequel?page=9

pickledandpuzzled · 14/04/2023 18:09

www.marksandspencer.com/evaline-high-waisted-brazilian-knickers/p/clp60534211#intid=pid_pg2pip48g4r10c3

It does t take long- and one of these chaps has complained that he's had a few thumbs downs.

Honestly the upvoting suggests they are rallying support from other cross dressers.

pickledandpuzzled · 14/04/2023 18:14

www.marksandspencer.com/show-off-thong/p/hbp22554414#intid=pid_pg2pip48g4r3c2

I'm stopping now. Above and beyond and all that...

IrregularChoiceFan · 14/04/2023 18:15

I don't understand, there's only 1 review on that page and it's a really generic review which doesn't mention the sex or gender of the reviewer. Have they removed the offending comment? What did it say?

Do you think it is ok for men to post sexualised reviews of women's knickers on M&S website?