Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

@ImAvingOops respect to you for your honesty

I think Boris should answer this.

First how it has benefited him. fact checked.

Second how it has benefited the country. Fact checked.

Then we can draw a conclusion.

what annoys me most is if the voting had been split 49%/51% the other way, we would have been bombarded with an endless barrage of ‘we demand a recount/new vote’.

If only we could have a new vote...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

Reminds me of all the communism apologists who say it’s failed only because it hasn’t been done properly🤣.

A major party could offer this. They should be aware of numbers so I wonder why they don’t

This is just goady and people are quick to blame everything on Brexit forgetting we had a pandemic that took its toll on the global economy. Things were not perfect pre Brexit. The NHS has been underfunded as has every other service since I can remember. Money doesn't grow on trees. Look at how badly the increase in NI was taken and yet people are shocked the care it was set to pay for is underfunded. I am not a Brexit supporter but I am sick of the weak argument of blaming Brexit for everything when actually things have been in a dire situation way before it was even on the table. We want the NHS to be the equivalent of private (and rightly so) but are not prepared to pay for it.

How do you think we joined in the first place? It was by a vote. Should that not have happened?

And the original premise we were joined was a common market with six members. Nothing like the federal Europe of today. Which is why Norway and Switzerland never went in. We went in to 9 and then has grown to 28. The fact it was so important to us was the exact problem. The EU we left had huge control over many aspects of life but was decided by goodness knows who at vast expense. It cost an fortune which luckily for the other member states is largely subsidised by the five richest nations. We were the third most generous contributor. We weren’t taking handouts.

The advantage is we rise and fall on our own merits.
It’s the divorce analogy (again) where one person ends up in a one bedroom flat without the kids or dogs. We don’t say they should have stayed in the coercive marriage because on the surface it looked like a nice life do we.
We say it will get better. Which it invariably does.

people are quick to blame everything on brexit

Not everything can be blamed on Brexit but it’s causing a 4% reduction in GDP AND a year on year fiscal drag.

Also there is a lack of foreign investment now in UK because companies are choosing to build factories or invest in other countries because of the instability in UK. Many UK companies are moving their businesses to Europe, as am I.

It needs to be acknowledged more in MSM but goodness knows how to sort it without rejoining SM. It’s a complete mess.

It's ok, we're putting in an extra £350 million a day to the NHS since Brexit....oh wait, no, we seem to have lost that money down the back of the sofa.

The fact is, our economy is worse as a result of Brexit. Yes, we have had a pandemic and the Ukraine war etc, but so has the rest of Europe and our economic outlook is still worse. That means less money overall for the NHS and other public services.

Yes, we have other problems - a Tory government being a major one of them - but Brexit was a massive act of national self harm and we shouldn't just gloss over it as if it never happened. Even if it does make some people uncomfortable to talk about it.

I hadn't thought about the DUP one to be honest.

The only one I ever thought was a benefit was not having Nigel Farage and UKIP/Brexit party being paid from the public purse.

I think it gets better when we have a government who invests in this country.
I voted for Brexit - I took a view that the EU is too big, too unwieldy, resistant to change and is a useful place for politicians to hide. It provided a nice gravy train for failed domestic politicians of all member nations. I believe that you still be true.

this is an excellent point. I remember right after the referendum when a council in Cornwall asked the government for a guarantee of pound-for-pound replacement of EU investment/subsidies. And a resounding "no" was the answer.
The EU has its problems, the UK had the best deal out of any country, which is partly why bafflement at the decision is so pronounced. What with the return of investments, the veto, staying out of the Euro ... What leave really should have done, IMO, and i am still completely aghast that they didn't was run a huge series of campaigns, especially in EU funded areas of "What has the EU done for us?" and then spelled it out in words of one syllable.

My position is in my name: I was in the fortunate (in terms of my FOM being affected) of being able to get citizenship of an EU member country without fuss, but at some expense. (we spent about EUR 1,500 for translations and paperwork, passports etc as a family of 4 so not bad compared to UK prices).

Personally? it has affected me in terms of getting things to and from family and friends in the UK due to customs and awful post services. An anecdote, but replicated across 27 states and a few million people being inconvenienced at worst. But. Small businesses in UK who previously shipped to the EU? have lost a lot of business. Some SME have, as PP said, establised EU based operations in addition to UK ones, which ultimately benefits the UK company and thus the exchequer. But the jobs? they go to EU nationals. And their salaries are spent in their local/EU economy for the most part. (insert lesson on Keynesian multipliers here)

I was working in Frankfurt from 2017 to 2018. Typically for many people working there i had a small apartment for use during the week, and travelled to my home on Friday afternoon, returning Monday morning. Due to the thousands of people already doing this, small apartments were already hideously expensive and at a premium. There were also many "business accommodation" - basically upmarket student accommodation - offering titchy, furnished and serviced studios. Most of these were more than i paid for a 1 bedroom apartment with full sized kitchen. In 2017 when reality started to set in, the price apartments similar to mine doubled. I can imagine Paris and Amsterdam were similar.

Most Brexiters were hoping fewer brown people would come here and apparently forgot a great proportion of Europe is white.

The advantage is we rise and fall on our own merits

How is falling on our own merit an advantage? Because it certainly looks like we’re falling when we look at the wider picture.

Isnt that a bit like saying “we’ve completely buggered ourselves, but we’ve done all on our own, under our own terms! Yay go us!”

This is just goady and people are quick to blame everything on Brexit forgetting we had a pandemic that took its toll on the global economy. Things were not perfect pre Brexit. The NHS has been underfunded as has every other service since I can remember. Money doesn't grow on trees. Look at how badly the increase in NI was taken and yet people are shocked the care it was set to pay for is underfunded. I am not a Brexit supporter but I am sick of the weak argument of blaming Brexit for everything when actually things have been in a dire situation way before it was even on the table. We want the NHS to be the equivalent of private (and rightly so) but are not prepared to pay for it.

it astounds me that people can swallow this shite hook, line and sinker. I will say only: funds to buy PPE were made available at the drop of a hat. It is entirely possible to save the NHS. Your own government want a US style (and owned) model. Research how healthcare works there, because that is your future. Look who is driving this. Follow where the money goes.

The question is, did people really vote with the belief that they were leaving a coercive marriage to go and live in a one-bed flat? Or did they believe that they were leaving a fairly ordinary marriage in order to go and live in a mansion?

The one-bed flat narrative is not what was sold to the public. I wonder how many of them really felt strongly enough about wanting to leave the EU that they would have knowingly voted for that?

Love the fact that your mental health is being questioned when you ask about benefits of Brexit and say you're worried. Everyone should be worried - it's shit show out there. We lack any able politicians (in any party), we've been lied to and those doing it aren't held to account, and those who voted for Brexit are now sticking their fingers in their ears and humming, or just telling us to get over it.

You're right to be worried, there are no benefits, but you need to not dwell on it for your own sake. At some point, someone, will start a 'rejoin' movement.

Well, the UK has announced that it is joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

Quote:

"The bloc is home to more 500 million people and will be worth 15% of global GDP once the UK joins. It is estimated that joining will boost the UK economy by £1.8 billion in the long run, with wages also forecast to rise by £800 million compared to 2019 levels.

Being part of CPTPP will support jobs and economic growth across the country, with every nation and region expected to benefit. More than 99 percent of UK goods exports to CPTPP countries will now be eligible for zero tariffs, including key UK exports such as cheese, cars, chocolate, machinery, gin and whisky.

Total UK exports to CPTPP countries were already worth £60.5 billion in the 12 months to the end of September 2022 and are set to grow under CPTPP. Our leading services industry will also benefit from reduced red tape and greater access to growing Pacific markets with an appetite for high-quality UK products and services."

That's a pretty major achievement. If they can get an India FTA agreed, (which is something the UK government are working on), then that would also be a significant boost.

Yeah, its not all roses and light and these agreements shouldn't have taken so long to sort out, but they are very slowly getting there. I don't think COVID nor the Ukraine have helped at all as money and attention have been focused on those. Yes its hurt in the interim (I lost my job when my company went busy due to COVID), but personally I didn't think it would take anything less than 10 years to see the benefits. We have long standing economic problems within the UK and we were already lagging behind the rest of the G7 before Brexit, so I'm not surprised that we still are.

Could you afford the pay rises then? That would be a good thing.

I know a few people that didn't bother voting (for various reasons). They all wish they had voted remain now. I think the only people 'bored' of this topic are leavers. I'm not surprised to see a lack of positive feedback.

And yet Brexit is still shit.
Closing down debate is all you've got?

@RJ57 The benefits of joining CPTPP are, by the government's own assessment, so small compared to what was lost coming out of the EU.

It is estimated that joining will boost the UK economy by £1.8 billion in the long run This is such a tiny amount!

Not as much as you clearly do 😆

It is estimated that joining will boost the UK economy by £1.8 billion

Over 10 years.

Oh and that might actually be an overestimate.

Its a pathetically insignificant amount when you’ve just lost 100bn PER YEAR in lost EU trade.

So… I voted to remain. I don’t believe that’s particularly important, but I thought I’d get it out there before I’m accused of deflecting!

I haven’t experienced many benefits (arguably the vaccine rollout perhaps) but nothing else to shout about. But I also couldn’t say I’ve directly experienced any significant detriment following Brexit - that I’m aware of anyway.

What is worrying you so much, about Brexit specifically? Times are a bit shit, but Brexit didn’t cause COVID, the war in Russia, gas prices etc… I could understand worrying about all of that. But why Brexit?

Please god no Express views 😀