Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

This is very like the transgender debate, isn't it? Someone asks a question — when are we going to see the benefits of leaving Europe or what is the definition of a woman? — and the Brexiteers and transgender ideology believers just yell and shout or throw insults.

In the case of gender ideology we know the unwillingness to have a rational debate is because there isn't one. And there isn't one with regard to Brexit either because we can all see what a disaster it's been and there is nothing positive to say about it — so people just shout and throw insults around.

If loads regret it I don’t know why we’re still seeing Brexit messaging and desire for their votes over all else

Maybe they can still swing elections

I haven’t experienced many benefits (arguably the vaccine rollout perhaps) but nothing else to shout about. But I also couldn’t say I’ve directly experienced any significant detriment following Brexit - that I’m aware of anyway.

we get sick and bloody tired of pointing out that this would have been possible within the EU too.

Likewise: you can send unemployed EU citizens out of your country if they don't have a job within 3 months. But you didn't bother registering them so you couldn't do that.

The single worst thing about the referendum? Is seeing how many people were so completely ignorant of what the EU does. And how individual countries within the EU work.

It is also hard to find anyone now who admits they voted for Brexit. Says it all really, no benefits that I can see. I'm still cross about it all too.

Both I and DH voted to remain and still believe we as a country have shot ourselves in the foot.

However, DH's firm has benefited hugely from Brexit because as a freight forwarder they are raking in the fees from the poor companies trying to pick their way through the red tape suddenly landed on them, both for import and export. c.60 new jobs have been created by his firm to deal with the paperwork.

So c.60 people have entry-level jobs at fairly high salaries (it's very boring, samey work but needs a high level of detail, so the salary is to convince them to stay once they've been trained up) that there otherwise wouldn't have been, and his firm is making a shit-ton of money. Whoohoo.

They've also lost business because international firms are choosing to relocate to the EU to avoid the red tape. And as they too are an overseas-owned, international company he and his UK coworkers aren't seeing much direct benefit. And the cost of the fees is of course being passed on to consumers in the UK.

So forgive us for feeling somewhat depressed about the whole sorry mess.

It's not so much the people who voted for Brexit, - it's the voters in the subsequent follow-up election -where people overwhelmingly voted for the two pro-brexit parties, rather than choosing to stop the process.

‘Sick and bloody tired’!

Sit down and take a take a breather then, because that response was nonsensical.

If someone is in an angry state for this long then yes they need help to process how they are feeling don't you think. Its been quite a few years and it cannot be healthy to stay angry about something. Do you stay angry for years?

Sorry people's legitimate business and economic concerns are so boring 🙄.

Maybe people are also fed up by the decline in living standards Brexit has caused.

TBH i really don't care if people voted for Brexit or not. I had friends look me in the eye (I was in UK the week before the referendum) and say "I'm voting leave, and i literally don't care if it up-ends your life" (not really friends any more, tbh - especially the one who then called me a traitor for getting dual citizenship)

Then there are the "it will be fine, leave won't win, i'm protesting against the government" - yeah. I had several of those. Some of whom now say "yeah, i wanted immigration curbed" and such like. I don't know if that's what they always thought and were giving me a bit of flannel, or if they have changed their minds.

I had one who voted leave purely because his Thai wife had to jump through lots of hoops to be allowed to stay in the uk and "your German husband can come and go as he pleases" and then afterwards "haha, going to cost you a fortune" (my "german" husband is/was no such thing he's a dual national now though)

ad infinitum. I didn't really hear any good arguments for brexit from anyone beforehand. I did hear a lot of people quoting The Bus Slogan though. And i genuinely feel bad for anyone who believed that and voted accordingly.

I still blame the leave campaign for not spelling out what EU membership actually meant for the country.

Christ of course people are still angry and getting angrier as the fucking terrible effects of that moronic vote become clearer by the month

go on, i'll bite. What was nonsensical. It has been clear for ages that the vaccine rollout (which was good to start with then stalled a little then picked up again) could have been done in the UK if they had still been in the UK.

what about sending back unemployed people is nonsensical? what about saying that people in the UK clearly didn't know that much about the benefits of being in the EU were?

You will note from this thread that i have actually been trying quite bloody hard - and have had limited success - in pointing out Brexit benefits. Not just "you stink" type of school yard replies.

The imf has warned the world economy is entering a perilous phase… and our tiny island is floating all alone. The only positive thing I can see coming from Brexit is that finally we may, eventually, be able to admit just how tiny and insignificant we are…. I voted remain btw. https://news.sky.com/story/world-economy-entering-perilous-phase-with-uk-to-perform-worst-in-g7-this-year-imf-says-12855069

It is the other way round here. Its tge veexiters abusing OP, telling her something wrong with her, asking her to get help. Why Brexiters are so good at gaslighting?

Why are MPs unaware of the anger people say exists? These threads come up often but maybe not their inboxes

Well the Labour ones anyway as they are not beholden to Brexit

Is it that mn is unaligned to public or something else

There are no benefits for the average person. Those who are not super wealthy will work more & more hours for less & less reward. The BoJos & Rees Moggs of this world will make more & more money for less & less work. And they can say it’s what the masses chose🤦🏼‍♀️. And the op is told she needs help for having concerns?😂

I was a fairly ardent Remainer but on the basis that what's done is done, I did try to see the Brexit points once the vote went in their favour. The ones I thought might have any force were

• the EU was a bureaucratic leviathan capable of absorbing vast sums of money and not doing much with them. Some member states received money which they then misused. We therefore should have more money from leaving the EU than we did when we were contributing to it. (Obviously this was mitigated by the economic benefits of being in the EU.)

• freedom of movement meant that workers could come to the UK, set up a business as self-employed and undercut local workers. Leaving would mean that British workers would be able to charge a better rate.

• same issue was a gift to unscrupulous employers who could pay their workers at or below minimum wage, whereas if they have to source foreign workers via a visa application they have to promise to pay at or above minimum wage, get a sponsor licence and make themselves available for inspection. Many thought it would be preferable to have migrants from former Commonwealth countries than those from the wider EU.

I don't see that any of these have been achieved.

Or imagine living in Scotland who voted to remain yet are still forced to exit? An extra layer of anger right there.

Ref the CPTPP, the main benefit of joining it is strategic in that it will help us in other trade agreements and will help us be able to have an influence on who else joins the pact (China and Taiwan have apparently applied). Its a first step, but a major one.

People have asked for benefits and I've given one. No, its not huge but its potential ramifications could be.

Oh and pinkgreentrousers, I voted for Brexit. I was sick of the way Greece was being treated and I felt that with the ability to make our own agreements (including with the EU who haven't stopped trading with us), that we could start making Britain better rather than - what felt like - helping more and more countries who were struggling and propping up the German economy.

No, its not gone great and has taken a lot longer than I expected. I think COVID and the Ukraine war have a lot to blame for in that respect and also that I dont think anyone in power expected it to happen and they were caught cold. The politicians have also been too busy infighting and replacing leaders which hasn't helped and as I said we were in a bit of a mess before Brexit (look at the charts and you can see that economically we fell against the rest of the G7 prior to Brexit.

Anyway, there are benefits and I feel that more will come once the world stabilises. I dont think slagging each other off and accusing people of being racist if they voted Brexit is helpful. I voted not for my own benefit as I realised it would get worse before it got better, but for my children.

Maybe the future will show I was wrong, but I did what I felt was the best thing at the time. For me personally, COVID and the Ukraine invasion have had a far greater impact on my life than Brexit to date.

I voted to remain, but I can see why people voted Brexit.

They wanted more direct representation, more autonomy to make our own legislation, more choice about immigration. There's loads of other stuff but I haven't thought about it in detail for years so my Brexit knowledge is rusty.

And I'm sure had we not just had 7 years of the most ineffective, narcissistic government conceivable (and COVID) we could have made something of it. But we haven't and it does feel like an absolute shit show in the UK at the moment. And just for the record, I think it's both sides of the chamber that have been useless.

I'm just not convinced that Brexit in itself was a disaster, but the handling of it definitely has been.

Would have rather just remained and saved all the hassle personally.

@Dreamstate

If someone is in an angry state for this long then yes they need help to process how they are feeling don't you think. Its been quite a few years and it cannot be healthy to stay angry about something. Do you stay angry for years?

Would you ask this question of someone living in Soviet Russia or present day North Korea?

Your argument makes no sense at all. You seem to be suggesting that however poor or damaging a political decision has been, failure to make peace with it indicates a problem with the individual’s perception. When in fact the individual may be responding in a perfectly sane and rational way to external circumstances which are irrational and damaging.

I’m not saying post Brexit Britain is comparable with Russia under Stalin but your argument appears to be that any political decision made in a country has simply to be accepted once it’s done without question or dissent. If you applied that logic there would never be any political change anywhere.

Millions of people feel Brexit has been a major act of national self harm. You are free to disagree with this but you can’t write all these people off as mentally ill.

No benefits at all for the average person. Brexit has fucked this country for generations. Ripped opportunity from the young, deprived the old of late life care, made us all poorer, reduced our standing on the world stage and made us the general laughing stock of Europe.

No such threads exist because in the rare case of someone articulating what they consider benefits they are shouted down, abused and 95% of posters keep chanting "there are no benefits".

Whatever the rights and wrongs of Brexit, MN is an echo chamber of hatred for leave and leavers.

Would you rather hear about the royal family again?