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Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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N0addedsalt · 12/04/2023 07:40

I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

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MzHz · 12/04/2023 08:53

thekingfisher · 12/04/2023 07:50

Assumptions much?

No, just completely fucking obvious.

the ‘head cases’ were those who swallowed all the lies BoJo told em. Deprived areas with no jobs… all cos the forinners have taken their jobs, according to Leave… vote Leave and it’s all going to change, then vote tory cos we’ll power up the north.

like they ever gave a shit about deprived areas before? About the north before? About the low paid? They don’t. All those promises all those lies and it’s costing BILLIONS in lost productivity, lost opportunities and investment.

we knew, it was fucking obvious at the time and it still is. The silence around BREXIT is deafening.

ItWillWash · 12/04/2023 08:53

The EU is doing fine without us. We, however, are up shit creek without them. I don't think that gives us a good footing to negotiate better terms than the veto we had.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 12/04/2023 08:54

Oh there are/were benefits, they just happen to be for a tiny minority of rich people and not for the average person.

I've actually got to hand it to them, they played a blinder. They saw an opportunity to make themselves richer at the expense of everyone else and took it.

They saw and exploited a niche anger, fanned the flames of hate and division perfectly so it spread across half the population (who accepted it without question) and managed to brainwash almost half the population so completely that they STILL believe bexit was the best thing ever.

Lovelyring · 12/04/2023 08:55

I am still fuming about Brexit, which I did not vote for. I feel like rights and opportunities I had have been ripped away from me and my children for nothing. Even more fuming that Boris the liar got to be PM after all the lies and damage he wreaked. Can't believe anyone voted for him.

I only actually know three Brexit voting people personally. One now lives abroad permanently, one opening regrets it and admits he fell for the propaganda, and the other is still pro-Brexit to my knowledge. But I haven't heard of any benefits they've gained.

I expect there are a few. I remember reading something about the EU recently and saying wow, a benefit to Brexit, but it was small and I can't remember what it actually was!

OMGitsnotgood · 12/04/2023 08:56

** I'm not the OP but could be. I didn't vote to leave and couldn't believe the result. I have lived in hope that I'd been wrong, that Brexit wouldn't be as bad as I feared, and that we would see some benefit.

It's not unreasonable to want some help seeing the positives, as I'd be happier if I could. If Brexit supporters on this thread would answer the question asked rather than questioning the OP's inability to deal with it, maybe we'd get somewhere.

Do you really think this is healthy?
It's perfectly ok to ask those who voted Brexit when we are going to see the benefits they voted for. I'd also like to know in a very straightforward, non-goady way.

You perhaps want to consider getting some support as it's now a number of years from the vote.
As you say, it's been a number of years and we are still waiting to see what good has come from it. So a fair question. Ridiculous attempt at diverting from the very fair question

What do you want people to say ?
Clear from the OP what the question is that they want answering.

What is your Aibu?
Jeez, just answer the question.

I would have so much more respect for Brexit voters if they could help those of us who still don't get it understand why leaving was the right decision for the UK (based factually on what we are actually seeing as a result, not why you voted that way in the first place ).

carriedout · 12/04/2023 08:56

Thisbastardcomputer · 12/04/2023 08:52

Give it a rest, it's here and it's not going, so learn to live with it!

Part of 'learning to live with it' is being allowed to talk about it.

Yes it is here - so people are going to discuss it as it affects us all.

Kendodd · 12/04/2023 08:57

ImAvingOops · 12/04/2023 08:42

I think it gets better when we have a government who invests in this country.
I voted for Brexit - I took a view that the EU is too big, too unwieldy, resistant to change and is a useful place for politicians to hide. It provided a nice gravy train for failed domestic politicians of all member nations. I believe that you still be true. What I was hoping for was that leaving would force our own politicians to be more accountable - to invest in training our own citizens instead of relying on cheap labour from abroad that puts our own employees at a disadvantage and exploit's foreign workers.

Where I went wrong was in giving our politicians too much credit, in thinking they would rise instead of just continuing to be self serving. And that they would be replaced if they didn't rise. Our govt knew that leaving was a real possibility and did nothing to prepare for it - didn't invest in training dentists/doctors etc.

In short, it's failed because of the calibre of our politicians.

So it hasn't failed because it was a stupid idea to impose sanctions on ourselves in the first place?

Brefugee · 12/04/2023 08:58

I had hoped we'd see some tangible, nascent but tangible, benefits by now.

Good point about teenagers being able to pick up work now, and that low paid jobs are plentiful. So I'll chalk that up as a benefit, although "lots of low paid jobs" isn't the phrase i'd be looking for.

I know of one industry, forestry, that is apparently doing well. Not entirely sure how and why because it's not something I've looked into (but i have friends in the industry). Busier than ever and more productive and profitable than ever. That's a win, they're putting it down to Brexit and I'll have to trust that they know what they're looking for.

Offshoring account managers who work on commission must be doing well? I think Gold is booming - but that's booming everywhere due to the volatility in so many money markets so not entirely Brexit caused. But maybe partially?

It's a legit question before so many people go to the polls: it asks us to focus on where the UK is doing well, and also where it is doing less well and industries/places/individuals who may need more help/investment.

For a Nottingham lace manufacturer, founded in 1850 and still in family hands they were sure they were doing well despite (not because of) Brexit. Until HMRC slapped a backdated, unnecessary and punative, tax on them. Which means: they're closing down. (if you don't want to read it: they send their lace to France for the dyeing process, and HMRC have now decided they need to pay 8% tax on the lace when it comes back to the country for sorting and shipping. I would suggest they move at least part of their operation to France, which will save the 8% but take jobs away from Nottingham. I wonder what they will do)

Company's bitter experience of Brexit goes viral (thelondoneconomic.com)

'Killed off by our own side': Company's bitter experience of Brexit goes viral

Set up in 1845, the firm fought for 30 years against the global textile trend of moving to the Far East only to be brought down by Brexit.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/killed-off-by-our-own-side-companys-bitter-experience-of-brexit-goes-viral-346617/

darjeelingrose · 12/04/2023 08:59

SparklingChampagneAndStrawberries · 12/04/2023 07:59

Bore off, this has been done to death.

I don't know what "bore off" means but I imagine you are saying it in a bad posh accent whilest failing to appear nonchalant.

You are wrong though, it hasn't been done to death. That's just what people say when they don't have an answer.

Over to you.

TheyclosedmyCosta · 12/04/2023 08:59

Hasn’t made any difference to me. No noticeable benefits but no noticeable inconvenience either 🤷‍♀️

Worldgonecrazy · 12/04/2023 08:59

Im still waiting for benefits to trickle down.

what annoys me most is if the voting had been split 49%/51% the other way, we would have been bombarded with an endless barrage of ‘we demand a recount/new vote’.

bellinisurge · 12/04/2023 09:00

Saying "I told you so" only makes me feel good for about 30 seconds. This is a shit show of our own making.
Making sure my daughter got on the Irish Foreign Birth Register and getting us all Irish passports was the only good thing for us that has come of it.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 12/04/2023 09:00

Neededanewuserhandle · 12/04/2023 08:33

Wow what a novel thread. "Please will people who voted leave express some views so the rest of us can tell them they are wrong". genius, and so original.

Wow what novel response. "I voted leave because I was duped by leave or I am to embarrassed to articulate my actual reasons." Genius and so original.

Itcouldhappenabishop · 12/04/2023 09:01

ImAvingOops · 12/04/2023 08:42

I think it gets better when we have a government who invests in this country.
I voted for Brexit - I took a view that the EU is too big, too unwieldy, resistant to change and is a useful place for politicians to hide. It provided a nice gravy train for failed domestic politicians of all member nations. I believe that you still be true. What I was hoping for was that leaving would force our own politicians to be more accountable - to invest in training our own citizens instead of relying on cheap labour from abroad that puts our own employees at a disadvantage and exploit's foreign workers.

Where I went wrong was in giving our politicians too much credit, in thinking they would rise instead of just continuing to be self serving. And that they would be replaced if they didn't rise. Our govt knew that leaving was a real possibility and did nothing to prepare for it - didn't invest in training dentists/doctors etc.

In short, it's failed because of the calibre of our politicians.

This is interesting and I completely agree with your summary of the downside/failures of the EU as an institution. My view was that the benefits outweighed the costs but that is subjective as well.

MarshaBradyo · 12/04/2023 09:02

People are not happy but it seems not to be a factor in getting votes for any party.

It was a good time to use the opportunity

Fine the Brexit voter is key and likely will be from here on and FOM won’t be back

I’d like to see closer ties otherwise it’s not something I think about much (bar reminded on mn threads)

itsgettingweird · 12/04/2023 09:02

It's good to see some companies are benefitting and that's meant pay rises for some.

That's what we were promised.

Can anyone explain why those businesses have benefitted and if that model can be replicated across other industries?

Can can that model be used to improve our health and social care and improve education?

OMGitsnotgood · 12/04/2023 09:02

Bore off, this has been done to death.

Please post links to the threads where the OPs question has been addressed I mean a thread where people actually articulate the benefits, don't just make snidey comments because they don't have anything better to say.

Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2023 09:02

FourTeaFallOut · 12/04/2023 08:00

I voted remain.

If I could be arsed, I'd be cross with Cameron for calling a referendum to pacify his back benchers. I'm cross with the lack luster remain campaign that took for granted the result and were lazy about their messaging. I'm cross with the mass media who lived in such an incestuous bubble with the establishment that they were utterly rocked by the result - if they had spent any time doing their job as the fourth estate and were prepared to air the concerns of those who felt utterly failed by the status quo - then perhaps we wouldn't have got to the point that a referendum was the first time they could register their protest in a meaningful way.

But I can't be arsed. Life goes on.

Thing is, it was always going to be more difficult to argue for the status quo rather than change. I don't think the Remain campaign was particularly lazy, I just don't think people were prepared to listen. They wanted a faceless institution to rail against and the EU provided that common enemy they could blame for all their woes. It didn't matter how many financial, scientific and social experts Remain produced. Leave had that big bus that promised the NHS would be saved. Dominic Cummings is and always will be a disruptor first and foremost. He doesn't care what he's disrupting, he inherently believes that change is a good thing. Lots of people agreed with that.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'm a Remainer, continued to protest the result and will campaign to rejoin. But I hold Cameron and the Tories singularly responsible for the shit show that followed and which continues to unravel.

Kendodd · 12/04/2023 09:04

More benefits!
I know loads of business who have more to the EU so a benefit for them (I visit business for work).
Also, it made Putin very, very happy indeed to see a weakened UK.

OMGitsnotgood · 12/04/2023 09:05

Wow what a novel thread. "Please will people who voted leave express some views so the rest of us can tell them they are wrong". genius, and so original

I read it as OP a was looking for factual, proven benefits, not asking people to 'express views'.

carriedout · 12/04/2023 09:05

itsgettingweird · 12/04/2023 09:02

It's good to see some companies are benefitting and that's meant pay rises for some.

That's what we were promised.

Can anyone explain why those businesses have benefitted and if that model can be replicated across other industries?

Can can that model be used to improve our health and social care and improve education?

Which companies do you think are benefitting?

Even with the pay rises, people are actually poorer because inflation is so high that prices have gone up.

A pay rise to counter rising living costs is not an improvement.

itsgettingweird · 12/04/2023 09:05

ImAvingOops · 12/04/2023 08:42

I think it gets better when we have a government who invests in this country.
I voted for Brexit - I took a view that the EU is too big, too unwieldy, resistant to change and is a useful place for politicians to hide. It provided a nice gravy train for failed domestic politicians of all member nations. I believe that you still be true. What I was hoping for was that leaving would force our own politicians to be more accountable - to invest in training our own citizens instead of relying on cheap labour from abroad that puts our own employees at a disadvantage and exploit's foreign workers.

Where I went wrong was in giving our politicians too much credit, in thinking they would rise instead of just continuing to be self serving. And that they would be replaced if they didn't rise. Our govt knew that leaving was a real possibility and did nothing to prepare for it - didn't invest in training dentists/doctors etc.

In short, it's failed because of the calibre of our politicians.

Very interesting and good points.

I know Labour have said they would t return us to the EU.

I wonder if they would reap the benefits for the country or if there's a Tory MP out there who would do it differently?

I always think Tobias Elwood would do a good job as a Tory MP.

TrishM80 · 12/04/2023 09:06

The only benefit now is that Brexit twats can no longer blame the big bad EU for all the UK's problems.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 12/04/2023 09:09

I never understand the people who say that they have moved on, or that we should all move on etc. As if it's all in the past now. Do they not comprehend the fact that we are all living with the fallout from Brexit? How in earth can we move on when we are still feeling the effects and are likely to feel them for decades to come? Do they actually just mean that they want us to stop talking about the fact that Brexit has created so many problems? To put up and shut up in other words? Sorry, but that's not how democracy works. Those of you who voted for this shitshow got what you wanted. The rest of are now absolutely entitled to point out the terrible damage that you have done.

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