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Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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N0addedsalt · 12/04/2023 07:40

I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

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HannibalHeyes · 25/04/2023 15:26

Well that would go with the mythical thinking you have to do to come up with any Brexshit benefits...

verdantverdure · 25/04/2023 17:39

MavisMcMinty · 25/04/2023 12:01

…I don’t think I will ever not be angry about Brexit and Johnson and the fucking idiots who voted to destroy the UK.

I don't blame the fucking idiots.

They were conned.

By con men.

Older people and those with low educational attainment were targeted specifically because they're more susceptible to fraud and scams and easier to rule up and exploit. Football fans, and "wellness" fans and the three lowest socioeconomic groups wee also targeted.

You could also self select by clicking a Leave campaign Ad on Facebook.

The more poverty and less educational attainment there is in an area, the higher their vote for Brexit.

You've got to blame the con men haven't you?

Not their marks.

Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?
Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?
Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?
MavisMcMinty · 25/04/2023 18:54

Blame the conners not the conned, yes, but we all heard the same lies. The difference is that many of us knew they were lies. Leave ran a clever campaign appealing to hearts and guts, Remain’s was complacent, lazy and smug - as would befit the complacent, lazy and smug Cameron and Osborne. I can easily see the temptation to give those smooth smug faces a bit of an electoral slap.

Kendodd · 25/04/2023 19:36

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MrsWidgerysLodger · 25/04/2023 19:40

MavisMcMinty · 25/04/2023 12:01

…I don’t think I will ever not be angry about Brexit and Johnson and the fucking idiots who voted to destroy the UK.

Same. It's such a fucking mess.

verdantverdure · 25/04/2023 20:00

MavisMcMinty · 25/04/2023 18:54

Blame the conners not the conned, yes, but we all heard the same lies. The difference is that many of us knew they were lies. Leave ran a clever campaign appealing to hearts and guts, Remain’s was complacent, lazy and smug - as would befit the complacent, lazy and smug Cameron and Osborne. I can easily see the temptation to give those smooth smug faces a bit of an electoral slap.

Those of us who don't have the emotional weaknesses the Leave campaigns exploited are merely lucky.

It's victim blaming to hold Brexit voters responsible.

They didn't just make OUR lives worse, they made their own lives, and the lives of everyone they care about worse too.

They were manipulated and conned and their weaknesses exploited, and most of them were pensioners, poor, or had low educational attainment.

I'm not comfortable kicking down.

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2023 20:07

There are plenty of leave voters who weren't conned but 'knew exactly what they voted for'

verdantverdure · 25/04/2023 20:16

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2023 20:07

There are plenty of leave voters who weren't conned but 'knew exactly what they voted for'

The more they were conned they more they say things like that.

HannibalHeyes · 25/04/2023 21:10

The ones who still refuse to admit that it's a total catastrophuq, and insist that it's still what they was - they can take the blame fully. There don't seem to be nearly enough who are willing to admit to being conned, they would rather continue to be conned by repeating the lies of those shouting "Ukraine", "Covid", "Global Inflation" etc.

Muppets...

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2023 21:14

Just don't ask them about benefits.......

Crikeyalmighty · 25/04/2023 21:16

@verdantverdure Oooh I wouldn't necessarily say that, although plenty do fit that demographic. Also a lot of very comfortably off people who have the cash for it not to really matter but assets to hide, lots and lots of tradesmen trying to get their competitors for business out the country etc- I think the fisherman sum up the lack of joined up thinking amongst some though- thinking only of their fishing rights areas (forgetting lots had been sold off too) and not thinking of their markets -- which for certain sections of fishing industry isn't the UK.

verdantverdure · 25/04/2023 21:22

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2023 21:14

Just don't ask them about benefits.......

That's why Brexit voters are clamouring for a Brexit Enquiry.

They want credit for bestowing all those Brexit benefits on a grateful nations.

verdantverdure · 25/04/2023 21:31

Crikeyalmighty · 25/04/2023 21:16

@verdantverdure Oooh I wouldn't necessarily say that, although plenty do fit that demographic. Also a lot of very comfortably off people who have the cash for it not to really matter but assets to hide, lots and lots of tradesmen trying to get their competitors for business out the country etc- I think the fisherman sum up the lack of joined up thinking amongst some though- thinking only of their fishing rights areas (forgetting lots had been sold off too) and not thinking of their markets -- which for certain sections of fishing industry isn't the UK.

They're all marks.

Whatever they thought they were cleverly voting for to benefit themselves there's a pretty good chance they're getting the opposite.

Brit builders who wanted rid of Polish builders will now have to contend with Brazilian and Malaysian ones instead for example.

And as you say, fishing and farming are a case in point.

The number of Brexit supporters who benefit from Brexit is pretty small. Even Dyson and the Wetherspoons guy didn't get what they wanted, did they?

blackpearwhitelilies · 25/04/2023 21:36

verdantverdure · 25/04/2023 21:31

They're all marks.

Whatever they thought they were cleverly voting for to benefit themselves there's a pretty good chance they're getting the opposite.

Brit builders who wanted rid of Polish builders will now have to contend with Brazilian and Malaysian ones instead for example.

And as you say, fishing and farming are a case in point.

The number of Brexit supporters who benefit from Brexit is pretty small. Even Dyson and the Wetherspoons guy didn't get what they wanted, did they?

Dyson left the UK and set up in Singapore- he's brimming with patriotism, that one.
Tim Martin has suffered though - since he spent a fortune on anti-EU coasters and propaganda for his horrible pubs, my sympathy is very limited indeed.

Kendodd · 25/04/2023 21:52

Why did my post get deleted?

Because I blame Leave voters for Brexit?

People who had access to exactly the same information as remain voters, walked down to the polling station, completely of their own free will, and put a cross in the box marked Leave. And still 100% support Brexit and would absolutely vote the same again according to most polls.

Who else is responsible for the absolute shitshow they have visited on the country and the people in it other than the people who voted for it?

Or are people saying Leave voters are too stupid to understand what they voted for and too easily manipulated by the right wing press and so we can't hold them responsible for Brexit?

HannibalHeyes · 25/04/2023 22:27

Ah, the shills must be out again. MNHQ are only too happy to delete anti-Brexshit posts when asked to by those who, shall we say, are not necessarily posting in the best of faith...

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2023 22:35

Unicorn Kingdom, don't hold them responsible. for their choice.

Crikeyalmighty · 25/04/2023 23:12

@verdantverdure it's all totally mad as to benefit a few very specific sections of the voting population - they've created havoc in the economy and our business centre is full every day of third world large families doing visa processing- absolutely mental! And if I'm being honest I don't think that's what many voted for either-

MavisMcMinty · 25/04/2023 23:32

I suspect dire warnings about “the economy” failed to land because many people don’t feel they ever benefit even when the economy is good, and they sure as hell suffer when it’s bad. For many people an economic downturn feels simply irrelevant to them and their lives, lots of “short-term pain for long-term gain”, when we know the short-term pain will translate into long-term agony.

I’ll be dead before there’s any benefit to Brexit. Possibly dead for many decades. That’s why I will never get over such a catastrophic suicide of a nation. They have ruined my country.

Howpo · 26/04/2023 07:07

MavisMcMinty · 25/04/2023 23:32

I suspect dire warnings about “the economy” failed to land because many people don’t feel they ever benefit even when the economy is good, and they sure as hell suffer when it’s bad. For many people an economic downturn feels simply irrelevant to them and their lives, lots of “short-term pain for long-term gain”, when we know the short-term pain will translate into long-term agony.

I’ll be dead before there’s any benefit to Brexit. Possibly dead for many decades. That’s why I will never get over such a catastrophic suicide of a nation. They have ruined my country.

Yeah i remember reading so many people saying "oh it can't possibly be worse than what we ve got"

I'd think "You don't know what you re talking about, it can and will get far worse"

Now we have the extremely rich telling the poor "You must accept YOU will be poorer" (so we can stay v. wealthy) blaming wage rises for inflation but NOT super high profits or the wages of the super rich... all thats perfectly ok.

Anyone read that Sunaks income over the last few years is adding to inflation?

Agree also that we will never see a benefit from Brexit and imho we won't rejoin in any meaningful time frame.. i.e less than 2 decades.

Kendodd · 26/04/2023 08:47

I agree.
Leave voters have done some much damage to the country, I wouldn't go quite so far as to say ruined though. Tory voters have done enormous damage as well with their decades long austerity policies that have actually KILLED hundreds of thousands people.

These people have won though, theirs is the only voice that matters and has mattered for years.
I have teenage children, my greatest hope for them is that they emigrate and eventually get citizenship EU somewhere else.

Ginmonkeyagain · 26/04/2023 09:33

I can't really blame Brexit voters as I don't think any of us should have been asked to make this decision - it was too complex.

I have actually worked on EU regulations for years and even worked, for a year, in one of the DGs. I dont think I had enough understanding or information to cast an fully informed vote in the referendum.

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