Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

The people I work with couldn't compete with highly skilled EU workers for entry level jobs, that's why they voted to end Freedom of Movement.

Without Freedom of Movement, immigration is targeted for roles above National Minimum wage. The NHS was mentioned earlier with a dubious post about a nurse from the Philippines. We certainly need immigrants like this person to fill these skilled roles, especially while we up-skill our remaining workforce.

Frankly it's just lazy and myopic to parrot the Racist Leave line. It was always far more nuanced than just some bigoted pensioners and EDL supporters, and your words are a classic example of drinking the Cool Aid, this time in Remain flavour.

The removal of the obviously disliked Freedom of Movement means that those on the lowest rung can now get a foot on the ladder whereas they had highly skilled competition prior to Brexit

Where is the evidence those with no skills (the down trodden as you put it) can now get work?
Are they taking the jobs in care, logistics, van driving, cleaning, farm work, food processing... nope... hence the increase in "skilled" worker visas (which few in the EU takes up now)
Unemployment in the UK has been low for many years, because wages are low, employers don't invest in automation, hence low productivity... feeding lower wages...

Averages wages in the private sector are increasing at around 5 to 6%, approx half the inflation rate, so proportionately rising at the same rates pre 2016., plus we now have super high rents and little to no rentals on the market as LL's leave due to retirements, ending of section 21 and EPC rule changes but our Govt has put nothing at all to deal with this, so people (the lowest on the rung) are finding themselves homeless/in B&B's/ in court!

Yes we may well need nurses from the Philippines, Nigeria, India and Nepal (of all places) but we are not upskilling our own health workforce, even the plan to up skill care workers has been folded.

I am reminded of a groups of English drunken young men on a friday afternoon, moaning about EU workers building a Solar farm nr me & how much they are earning ( a lot!) i thought "Yes, they are out doing 12 hrs days, you lazy feekers are pissing it up, complaining, not doing"

The evidence @Howpo can be found in the unemployment figures on the Office For National Statistics if you care to look.

I work at strategic level in up-skilling workforces and attracting talent for my clients and we've (them and me) taken a sharp swerve and are now working differently out of necessity.

I earned more and my job was easier when we had a work ready talent pool, but we all need to adapt to circumstances.

My personal observations are that the pandemic has forced a far bigger change than Brexit. Home or Hybrid working is a real consideration in attracting talent and the affect this has on the entry level commuter supply chain is a far bigger challenge in my role currently.

The key to lifting yourself out of poverty is through work and progression I'm afraid. The benefit system will keep you poor and should be viewed as a safety net. The positive to this is that there is now access to that work for those who are able and willing. The downside is that "we" take the hit. Having seen it first hand I find I cannot maintain my level of anger at Leave voters, and would perhaps question why we continue to paint them as stupid when it seems we were the ones who were out of touch all along.

@2pence I ve looked, the figures just aren't there to back up your belief.

I don't know if leave or remain voters were stupid, i know a consultant surgeon who voted to leave and a hairdresser who voted to remain, in my sector, IT, many highly skilled professionals voted to Leave, FOM seemed to be a big factor, even though it never effected our industry, IT professionals from India and off shoring of helpdesks had a far bigger negative on wages and progression.

The trouble is, we ve got rid of the EU but the idiots who run the country are still here, wrecking the place.

The key to lifting yourself out of poverty is through work and progression I'm afraid. The benefit system will keep you poor and should be viewed as a safety net

Disagree, the key is (in no particular order) education, role models and aspiration... hard work/progression? in most cases, no, if your good at your job, you'll stay there.
BUT even with all that, only the very well paid can afford to buy property and if you rent, you'll always be poor and insecure (Given our very unfair rental markets and almost no council housing)

Benefits system long stopped being a "safety net"

12 hours days. And nights. Sleeping in shifts , if you stay off the booze you can buy a house back home in 18 months or 2 years.

Brits and Irish did it in eg Germany and Australia years ago. I had a mate who emigrated to Oz and couldn't see why the Aussies had such a reputation as hard workers in England when they weren't keen to do hard graft at home.

A local put him straight. ' How many of you guys are living in that flat?' Touché. Same with Aussies in London years ago. Work for 6 months. Get your tax rebate - because you didn't work a full year. Then off to the Oktoberfest to get pissed and laugh at the ' moaning Poms'.

Divide et Impera. But how sustainable is it all ? Brexit or no Brexit it seems a bit mad.

There's cultural belief and opinion and then there is how you earn your living, which is where my opinion comes from, the actual observations of how things are in my own reality.

If your belief and opinion is purely cultural, I would recommend expanding your circle and actually listening to those who voted differently to you. When I say listening, that means not just cherry picking the parts that you can actively dispute or already have a preformed argument to fire off, but listening in order to understand, or perhaps even to learn from others experience.

You don't need to tell me Brexit was crap for people like you and me, that was always a given. What I didn't understand at the time was how it affected those outside my own circles. Now I do.

So are you saying care workers, hospitality, shop workers etc are now all better off, living in the sunlit uplands we were all promised, thanks to Brexit?
Frankly, that's not what I see. I see more poverty, more food banks and collapsing public services.

Brexit was an exercise in a core group of exceptionally wealthy people using their superior skills in story telling to generate an economic shock and then making lots of money from it.

So, what you are saying is my lived reality and work doesn't matter, unless it corresponds to yours and i "need to get out more" .... got there at last :(

No @Kendodd, I'm saying that those roles are now being given to those who didn't get a look in before Brexit.

You must have noticed the skills gap when you've accessed these services yourself?Retailers and other employers are now having to provide extensive in work training to fill their vacancies.

Yep, whatever the reasons people thought they were voting for, Brexit is and was always about power and wealth.

Just look at how BJ manipulated both the population and his party into becoming PM, see the mess he made and the £3 million in earnings he has accumulated since he resigned.

No @Howpo as I said before "your mileage may vary".

You say you work in IT and this skilled industry hasn't been affected. This doesn't mean that there hasn't been an affect to different industries, particularly those that employ level entry staff. I'm suggesting you spread your net a little wider, that's all.

I actually visit businesses for work (H&S) all types of business and have done for years, long before the referendum. That's not what I see. The types of business you describe couldn't get the staff before the referendum and still can't now. Example, there are a lot of food manufacturers near me, the HR manager told me they've done everything to try to recruit local staff in the factory, they could basically pick their own hours, nobody would do it. In her words, 'who grows up dreaming of working in a chicken factory'. The office staff are almost always all British.

Care homes I find are a mixture of British and non British staff, I haven't seen that balance change since Brexit. And they still all complain that they can't get the staff. I do remember I visited a care home right after the referendum though. The manager said she felt so bad for the eastern European care workers though. They had tried to make the vote a bit of a day out for the residents and they had all voted Leave, grumbling about 'too many foreigners' while these care workers wheeled them down to the polling station.

Of all they Plumbers/builders/etc I visit, in all my years doing this, I don't think I've met one that wasn't British (SW England) . My own experience of trying to hire tradesperson to do work, you can't find one for love nor money, they're all massively expensive and completely run off their feet. Again, they complain that nobody wants to do the job anymore. Same with car mechanics.

I also meet lots of businesses that have moved some or all operations to the EU. Example, I visited an importer of a small industrial product (I don't want to name the product as it would be outing). Product was manufactured in the USA and Mexico, shipped to UK. UK office did sales, warehousing and distribution. 85% of sales were in Europe and product was shipped on from here. Office staff were all British (apart from MD who was Spanish) warehouse staff 50/50 British/European. Going on national numbers, half the staff there probably voted Leave. Company has now moved to the Netherlands. Ironically, the European staff could keep their jobs and move with it, the British staff, not.

Anyway, as you said, we each have are own windows to the world, but I'm just not seeing these sunlit uplands care workers are now supposedly living in.

Meanwhile, my lovely European dentist has gone, she helped get my children almost to adulthood (they're not adults yet) without a single filling, and my NHS dentist has now gone private.

I do remember my mum telling a younger relative a few years ago not to bother applying for a job at Aldi, they don't hire English people there, you have to be Polish to get a job at Aldi (NW England). Now I've been many times to her local Aldi and I've yet to see anyone working there who wasn't white British.

The businesses you visit, they're having to make employment with them more attractive now aren't they? They have to consider those with disabilities, put Equality Act Reasonable adjustments in place, provide more training than for their previous employees, yes? This is what I'm talking about. Those businesses are competing for a reduced workforce. Those businesses now have to consider employing those they wouldn't have considered before.

Seriously, your dentist didn't save your kids teeth. You did that by feeding them a good diet and teaching proper oral hygiene.

You're really clutching at straws now.

Hey let's call a second referendum and get Ken Dodd's dentist back! Save our children's teeth...we could put that on the side of a bus perhaps 🤔 🤣

I didn't say she saved my kids teeth, I said she helped get my kids to almost adulthood without any fillings, having access to a dentist absolutely did do this, and she was a great dentist, really brilliant with them. One of my kids also had braces. Actually, thinking back over my life (in my 50s and lived all over the country) i think I've only ever had one dentist who was British. Now I can afford private dentistry for my family, many people can't and their children are left without access to an NHS dentist.

Hey let's call a second referendum and get Ken Dodd's dentist back! Save our children's teeth...we could put that on the side of a bus perhaps 🤔 🤣

At least it would have an element of truth to it, have you tried getting an NHS dentist?

Did you not even read my long post?
They couldn't get the staff even before the referendum, they still can't now. The food factories, you can basically pick your own hours. They even tried sending minibuses round the villages for transport. This was before we'd even left the EU.

What I see now is shops and restaurants with reduced opening hours because they can't cover the shifts and care homes buying houses locally to accommodate their Filipino staff. I'm just not seeing the sun lit uplands you're seeing with previously unemployed British people now doing farm, factory and care work, on good wages, that they couldn't get before.

The trouble is, we’ve got rid of the EU but the idiots who run the country are still here, wrecking the place.

Yes @Howpo , the UK governments and right-wing media were always the root of all our problems, not the EU. (They’re still trying to blame the EU of course, and idiots still believe their lies.)

This is really delusional.

It really isn't happening on a wide spread UK basis, business is about making money, its not about making adjustments and training up staff who then leave to work else where or don't make the grade.

So what the business does is stop serving food mid week, close kitchens at 8pm instead of 9 etc, in construction, turn down the small one or two day jobs, reduce working hours in factories...

The evidence for my belief is in Govt action, the widening of skilled worker visa's, or the return of care packages in social care, the supply shortages in shops etc.

howpo it is indeed delusional. The reference to the Equality Act and reasonable adjustments is particularly naive and away with the fairies sadly. An exercise in wishful thinking.

It is delusional. I was giving this poster the benefit of the doubt, and thought maybe they had seen some benefits, but the arguments and any sensible evidence are just crumbling.