Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

I also note that, while attacking everyone else for ignoring other peoples’ experience, they are doing exactly the same thing.

Clear example of why these threads are so pointless.

Someone asks for examples of how Brexit benefits some people.

One person posts that in their experience it has.

Others post it can't possibly be true, because they of course know better than the other person about their life, what they are seeing and their observation of the workplace.

I think what I find quite frustrating is this sort of insistence that Brexit can't possibly benefit anyone ever. When logic tells me in something as complex and as wide ranging as Brexit there are always going to be winners and losers.

I'd post about my industry, how it has affected it, probably both the positive and negative sides, because ultimately I'm not that interested in short term benefits/drawbacks of it.

But I'd probably just get told that that isn't true by a load of people who clearly know my business better than me, and can see through my own eyes better than I can.

Threads like these are not entirely pointless though because they do remind us how utterly toxic and divisive ‘brexit’ remains as an idea - and will probably stay this way for a couple of generations, because it’s an attack on peoples identity - their sense of themselves as an intelligent person who makes considered decisions. When one half of the nation quietly despises the other (on both sides), so that no discussion is possible, that must be extraordinarily unhealthy.

I'm in NI. Brexit has been a disaster for my democratic representation.
I have no MEP.
My MP abstains from the Commons.
Stormont isn't sitting.

In a couple of weeks I will vote for my city council. It's all the democracy I've got.

Is that what Leavers meant by "Sovereignty"?

Most Leavers never had a clue what "Sovereignty" meant - it was just a word thrown around to hide their racism and xenophobia behind.

True indeed.

@HannibalHeyes . I know you aren't the OP, but please get a life. I have a degree in politics and government so I do understand the concept of sovereignty. Please stop hectoring; it's incredibly irritating. It changes nothing.

For the record, I did emigrate, at 24, to the USA after marrying an American. I know what it feels like to be a foreigner.

Oh dear! This is a bit like playing chess with pigeons so I'm going to be the grownup and stop.

It does feel like that with the likes of EffortlessDesmond.

But we have to keep countering the bots, otherwise the Russians keep winning...

In contrast to Effortlessdesmond I am grateful for your posts, Hannibal. They seem well informed and pretty spot on to me.

Thank you. I'm afraid I don't tend to go in to so much detail these years,the shills and bots have worn me down so much, but I still feel I have to counter this blatant misinformation/gaslighting/diverting. It's painful at times, but if we don't keep fighting, the liars win.

The problem here @2pence is you, point blank, refuse to accept any other pov apart from your own, no one else's experience matters to you, its your way or the highway.

No one is saying that "some" employers and new employees haven't benefited from Brexit, not at all and maybe thats all you ve seen, i don't know but the idea employers are now training up the disabled is for the birds, that cohort of society still suffers very high unemployment.

But the fact remains is that the UK wouldn't be drastically widening the worker visa scheme because of labour shortages across many areas and the increase in wages generally, is still around a 1/3rd that of food & energy inflation and the NMW increase is still well below the unofficial "living wage" so the low paid will still be reliant on in work benefits :(

The ONS say the avg worker in the UK will suffer the biggest drop in living standards for decades... so where is this Brexit Bonus you keep claiming?

Okay, I'll bite @Howpo.

I VOTED REMAIN. Things are NOT BETTER FOR ME. I knew they wouldn't be better for me so I VOTED REMAIN.

Because we have left the EU, I have had to CHANGE MY JOB. Although I still work in strategic HR, rather than just working to attract talent, I now work with employers in up-skilling both their current workforce and opening up opportunities for the available workforce via targeted recruitment and in-work training and progression.

I would dearly love it if all employers were 'Disability Confident' but alas, the very existence of this moniker shows we have a long way to go.

I HAVE NEVER DISPUTED what you say you've seen or are experiencing. I don't doubt for one minute a chicken processing factory struggles to keep staff, especially as this is historic ( especially now that low skilled workers have some workforce agency so the factory is forced to offer favourable terms - "choose own hours").

However, despite things being worse for me in my role, I do see people lifting themselves out of poverty by finding employment that was beyond their reach when they were competing with highly skilled and motivated workers from the EU.

So, the OP asked for 1 benefit of Brexit. There it is.

Brexit has left me a lot poorer. For some, however, it has offered opportunity.

And I really must get on now.

@2pence

( especially now that low skilled workers have some workforce agency so the factory is forced to offer favourable terms - "choose own hours").

Choose your own hours was before even the referendum, as was the minibuses. Minibuses have long been scaled right back, they just run from two local small towns now and the only passengers are from the EU. A friend's teenage daughter did work in the chicken factory for about 1-2 months. The only reason she did it though was because she wanted to get into veterinary medicine at university and it would look good on an application.

Even the new Ukrainian migrants (mostly) refuse to work at the food factories (not just chicken). I had a Ukrainian living with me, she said if they paid her £50 an hour (not £12/£15 the currently pay), she'd work at the chicken factory. There is a point, money wise, that people would work in these factories, it's a horrible job, and would have to be an awful lot though. That might push the cost of a cheap chicken up to £25, there is an argument to say that's what they're actually worth though so that's what we should pay, I, kind of, agree. The price of all food might have to rise massively (much more that we've already seen) if we want local people to do these hard, and at the moment, poorly paid jobs. The solution may be to mechanise everything that can be (I think they already do that) so develop new technology.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree whether its immigrants blocking opportunities for British people into jobs like care work/ factory work etc.

It's an interesting discussion. I'm a hardened remainer - we even went to live in Denmark for 20 months as the country and attitudes of some pissed us off so much. So my tenpennorth is as follows now we are back (for various practical reasons)

There definitely are some gainers- very rich people who can now hide their offshore money in peace and ironically some pretty low earners in shortage occupations plus tradesmen who can get back to their 80s practices of charging you £100 to be there for an hour or £60 call outs. Why do you think builders and plumbers and electricians are often so unreliable or unobtainable- well lots of the less scrupulous ones can be found having 3 weeks in Barbados or Maldives etc having taken 1/3 of your money for an extension. We stayed at a quite posh hotel in nice but of Majorca last year. Was full of guys from the trades bragging about charging what they like now. So yes there are some winners - but the rest of us lose in higher food prices, higher services costs etc. paying certain trades much more certainly hasn't benefited the 80% of the population who do something else- nurses, teachers, police, office jobs, etc, etc - they just get higher prices.

There are a great many people too who play the system and simply don't want a job, regardless of what it pays as they were quite happy as they were. They weren't being denied jobs by better people from the EU- they didn't want the work anyway- and isn't it a bit of an embarrassment to admit that the UK was stuffed full of pretty unemployable people (and I don't mean the disabled etc)

Shitty jobs will always have trouble attracting workers which is why those coming from the EU short term to make a bit of money and experience life here were never a threat. They were mainly young and single too and usually went back

The downside is in order to appease certain sections of the population we have lost huge amounts of exports (it is huge red tape - I know- I see it) certain industries are now nigh on impossible to export from, most of us can't just leave and live/work /retire somewhere else if we wanted to and yet we are now having to jump through hoops to entice people back , we have given some of our best industries to our EU competitors on a plate! 'EU citizens can just rock up and do through the E gates simply because we haven't the resources to do the checks, whereas we have to go through all the rigmarole at the other end. Same with imports- a great amount of stuff is coming in unchecked (it's smugglers charter) because of lack of resources- other way around it's the third degree. 'We hold all the cards' - I don't think so- it's EU1. UK 0

Yes @Crikeyalmighty I think people often don't notice Brexit until they travel. Because most changes are incremental and not very dramatic to the casual observer.

Last year my son was in Frankfurt to get a connecting flight. There was some hold up and he sent me a photo. Hundreds of pissed off people standing motionless in a corridor. Thinking about connections and rearranging flights.

Then a voice called out from the front - EU passport holders please come forward. Lots of angry British and American passengers. Well , I suppose the latter would still have been delayed, but who needs this hassle?

My Dad was thrilled to get a ticket for the Vermeer exhibition in Amsterdam, then noticed his passport had less than 3 months on it, so wasn’t able to go as he couldn’t get a replacement in time. Good old Brexit. The Leavers I know had no idea FoM works both ways. Bloody British exceptionalism, now they’re blaming the EU for “punishing” us out of spite.

Could you explain how Brexit affected tradespeople charges (ignorance here!)

Apparently Sunak is going to ask the EU to allow UK passengers to use the EU 's e-gate system.

As per Spain did last year & the UK does allow for EU citizens (though of course not so many europeans come here) would make a huge improvement.. sounds a bit cakeism to me.

Actually, my sympathy for depends entirely on how he voted .

He voted Remain! So he’s allowed to be irked.

Anyone who voted for this clusterfuck is not entitled to complain about anything Brexit-related, imo. They need to suck it up with a big Brexity smile on their face, and pretend this is what they voted for.

Absolutely! That's one for the "we knew what we were voting for" crowd.

Of course we all believe them! After all, it's not as though Saint Boris of Brexshit didn't have a clue...

That individual is responsible for all our woes, although everyone who voted for Brexit and for the Tories in 2019 is also to blame. It’s not as though his total unsuitability for public office of any kind wasn’t already a matter of public record, even in 2016. It was all about Johnson’s ambition, he was never anti-EU, he was just positioning himself as contender for the PMship when Cameron stood down.

…I don’t think I will ever not be angry about Brexit and Johnson and the fucking idiots who voted to destroy the UK.