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Aibu to be estastic about the push back protest from parents in Ireland today about pornography on the curriculum. Link & video inside. Teaching 12 year olds about anal sex & anal fist pumping 👀

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 00:52

https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin

"Keep gender ideology out of schools": Protesters gather in Dublin - Gript

“Keep gender ideology out of schools”: Parents gather in Fingal to protest against radical sex ed material in schools. #gript

https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin

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beAsensible1 · 07/04/2023 11:20

are there any links to the materials that they're referencing about fisting as there was nothing in the link posted?

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/04/2023 11:22

I think you miss understand me. I dont think kids need to know about fist pumping at all. Of it was necessary then why haven't straight kids been taught the " dice game " or made to read these books all these years. It should worry the lgbt people ( I'm.sure it already does tbh) that this is being sneaked in under the rainbow flag. Given we are now living in a society where women have been killed amd/or permanently damaged and the men.involved getting off under the rough sex defence, the last thing kids need is to have things normalised in a classroom.

Straight couples too enjoy anal or oral etc. We were never taught " the right way" like this. Its confusing as to why suddenly schools outsource important information to organisations that aren't even based around children

whistkesore · 07/04/2023 11:24

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 01:48

A book teaching kids how to anal fist pump like wtf.. 12 years olds were being given this book.

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This is grim.

whatchaos · 07/04/2023 11:33

YABU. For anyone who doesn't know - Gript is edited by the far right John McGuirk who led a horrific campaign against the repeal of the eighth amendment (giving Irish women the right to abortion) including intimidating women at maternity hospitals. He also attacked the Simon Wiesthenthal centre in antisimetic tones. This group in Fingal pushed into a public library and proceeded to destroy books. Most of those interviewed are involved in whipping up anti-migrant sentiment. This is not about a group of concerned parents, it goes much much further than that.

whatchaos · 07/04/2023 11:39

ExtraOnions · 07/04/2023 11:13

I’ve just read through the curriculum and resources … can’t see anything about anal fisting. It’s like it’s just been made up to stir up hatred …

Exactly. This is NOT a group of concerned parents, it's the same people involved in anti-abortion, anti-migrant, anti-vaccine protests. Basically the far right who have started terrorising librarians and are whipping up homophobia and racial hatred in Ireland.

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 11:42

It is a group of very concerned parents. Explain why the author said the book is not suitable for children, it's actually on the book but the schools gave it to children?
Why had the Libraries the book in children's sections?
Why have RTÉ not reported on the book being removed from the curriculum?

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whatchaos · 07/04/2023 11:55

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 11:42

It is a group of very concerned parents. Explain why the author said the book is not suitable for children, it's actually on the book but the schools gave it to children?
Why had the Libraries the book in children's sections?
Why have RTÉ not reported on the book being removed from the curriculum?

So you agree with them forcing their way into libraries and attacking librarians? It's not just a group of concerned parents - they're right wing religious extremists, and the same people involved in anti-migrant protests and before that with anti-vaccine protests. They're scum, trying to import far right tactics into Ireland.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 07/04/2023 12:00

The book was not written for children, and the age of sexual consent is 17. Obviously adolescents need age-appropriate teaching on how to deal with the mass of information that get online, but they don't need to have a 'how-to' book pushed at them in school at the age of 12.

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 12:00

They didn't force their way in🤣🤣They were quietly escorted by Gardaí as part of a peaceful protest who waited for them for 15 mins & accompanied them out afterwards.
I'm on three different school whatsapp groups & my childs pta. We are all delighted. Now to get back to advocating for women's rights & single sex spaces.

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 12:01

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 07/04/2023 12:00

The book was not written for children, and the age of sexual consent is 17. Obviously adolescents need age-appropriate teaching on how to deal with the mass of information that get online, but they don't need to have a 'how-to' book pushed at them in school at the age of 12.

It's indoctrination they are getting in Irish schools not an education.

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Whatwouldscullydo · 07/04/2023 12:04

whatchaos · 07/04/2023 11:55

So you agree with them forcing their way into libraries and attacking librarians? It's not just a group of concerned parents - they're right wing religious extremists, and the same people involved in anti-migrant protests and before that with anti-vaccine protests. They're scum, trying to import far right tactics into Ireland.

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Ok so if we are doing deep dives into backgrounds, juno Dawson says that many gay men are gay as a consolation prize for not being a woman.

So would a male who transitioned to become a straight woman as opposed to a gay man , be the right person to write book about being gay?

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 12:10

@Whatwouldscullydo send your questions on a postcard to Irish politicians, they have all the answers😁

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WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair · 07/04/2023 12:10

You need to be careful celebrating Gript. They are jumping on the trans topic to appeal to an audience that would otherwise run a mile. Gript and it's backers would have Irish women living without reproductive freedom, not working outside the home, no children's rights only parental rights, no LGB rights at all, no divorce, and that's just the super conservative Catholic side, not even getting into the far right element and anti immigration stirring. This sounds like a potentially unsuitable book made it onto a suggested reading list for younger teens and it's now been remedied. But if you're getting your info from Gript you need to know what you're reading. They're seizing on this topic to promote a parental rights ideology straight from the Iona Institute. Parental rights sounds great until you realise what they mean behind it.

Ringsender2 · 07/04/2023 12:11

SarahDippity · 07/04/2023 01:03

I will be writing to our primary school principal in an personal capacity about this, but in general I find Gript at the hard end of anti-liberal sentiment so I’d be reluctant to give them any credit or kudos. I hate the polarising positioning of this discussion and fear for the appropriation of the forthcoming referendum on gender when really it should be sex-centred. I know that’s not what the OP is about, but I’ll be carefully choosing whom I ally my views to.

This!!!!!!

Ringsender2 · 07/04/2023 12:13

WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair · 07/04/2023 12:10

You need to be careful celebrating Gript. They are jumping on the trans topic to appeal to an audience that would otherwise run a mile. Gript and it's backers would have Irish women living without reproductive freedom, not working outside the home, no children's rights only parental rights, no LGB rights at all, no divorce, and that's just the super conservative Catholic side, not even getting into the far right element and anti immigration stirring. This sounds like a potentially unsuitable book made it onto a suggested reading list for younger teens and it's now been remedied. But if you're getting your info from Gript you need to know what you're reading. They're seizing on this topic to promote a parental rights ideology straight from the Iona Institute. Parental rights sounds great until you realise what they mean behind it.

And very much this!!!!

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 12:17

I was so much of the same opinion prior to our posterboy Barbie Kardashian
But why aren't rte covering this? Nothing is mentioned. it's state controlled censorship. Irish parents would have been in the dark if it wasn't for this article.

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FOJN · 07/04/2023 12:43

You need to be careful celebrating Gript. They are jumping on the trans topic to appeal to an audience that would otherwise run a mile.

Gript wouldn't even be a footnote in this discussion if the MSM did its job. The nature of RSE in nearly the whole western world needs to be scrutinised for safeguarding failures and despite the alarm being sounded many times the MSM only choses to report if they can portray concerned parents as narrow minded bigots.

When you describe a desire for safeguarding as 'far right' you alienate large sections of society who assumed that robust safeguarding of children was a universally accepted and apolitical value.

If there is no problem with the RSE material being used then why do so many schools make it difficult for parents to view it?

Eann · 07/04/2023 12:52

nosyupnorth · 07/04/2023 09:35

The practical reality is that if your 12 year old doesn't have access to unfiltered internet (possibly while you are obliviously unaware they've got around your filters) one of their friends will.
At this age they are encountering porn and talking about extreme sex acts and conservative parents going 'NAH NAH NAH I DON'T LIKE IT' isn't going to change that.
I think there needs to be measured discussion of how to educate on this topic, and some of the currently handling is poorly done as educators struggle to catch up with the current societal realities without overshooting and giving too much information.
But adolecents are going to encounter porn, gay sex, and kink and they need to prepared to understand safe sex beyond 'use a contraceptive if a penis goes in a vagina', which will include some degree of being informed about things that might be considered extreme. If they aren't recieving any education, they're just get their information from the internet and gossip and be put at greater risk.

This argument can be used to justify anything at all. For example one could use your argument to justify a preschool showing terrorist propaganda and beheadings to preschoolers, on the basis that a few of the pupils sometimes have unsupervised youtube access and therefore the whole class should learn about everything on youtube.

I’ve reached my mid-forties without knowing that something called “anal fist pumping” existed before today and I’m quite happy not knowing what the fuck that is thanks. I’m hardly sheltered, I’ve had dozens of lovers, but happily none of them were into whatever this shit is.

And not all 12 year olds have access to porn or unsupervised internet - because some of us actually parent competently. Why should families bringing their children up well, have kids coming home crying and traumatised, because their teacher showed them violent porn at school? Which has happened this year, it’s been discussed on other threads.

All teachers need immediate remedial safeguarding training to stop them facilitating perverts’ desperate attempts to groom children into kink.

WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair · 07/04/2023 13:00

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 12:17

I was so much of the same opinion prior to our posterboy Barbie Kardashian
But why aren't rte covering this? Nothing is mentioned. it's state controlled censorship. Irish parents would have been in the dark if it wasn't for this article.

If you Google the book it's in all the main media outlets.

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 13:04

My dc do not have uncontrolled Internet access & never will under my watch. My children, my house, my rules & they are happy with this. I'm their mammy not their bffs 😁
They are sent to school to get an education, there is no need for 12 year olds to have access to this.

Why did the Irish department of education roll out that book when ever the author said it was unsuitable for children?

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 13:04

WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair · 07/04/2023 13:00

If you Google the book it's in all the main media outlets.

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Not RTÉ.

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PrettyMaybug · 07/04/2023 13:12

100% on your side @Bláthannabuí . There's absolutely no need for any children at school of any age, let alone 12, to know about this disgusting, vile filth. I am not a prude, but find these perverted and twisted kinds of sex acts fucking grim. I am SO glad I am from a generation where men didn't want to suffocate me, shove their fist up my arse, and take a photograph of it to share with everyone they know. It's grim and vile for our young people out there now.

Like a previous poster said, I got to around probably late 30s, early 40s before I knew what anal fisting was. Quite happy to have not known about it up till then. Nobody needs to know about this absolutely fucking foul shit, and certainly not CHILDREN. There is nothing homophobic about not liking it either, as heterosexuals do it as well. It's completely disgusting. Teaching children this at school is wrong on sooooo many levels.

ExtraOnions · 07/04/2023 13:14

Link from Fox News … you may as well link the Beano

There is nothing in the curriculum, or the teaching materials than mentions Anal Fisting

Far right dog-whistling