Aibu to be estastic about the push back protest from parents in Ireland today about pornography on the curriculum. Link & video inside. Teaching 12 year olds about anal sex & anal fist pumping 👀

[Bláthannabuí]

https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin

It's on the department of educations recommended reading list for 12-14 year olds

It is not.

It was on a reading list as part of a planned revised SPHE programme.

This has been removed from the reading list.

This was a resource kit for the educators - not a 'recommended reading list'

Should it be there? No (and now it won't be).

Do I approve of this book for 12 - 15 yo? Also no, and luckily, no 12 - 15 yo will come across it as part of the curriculum.

Please stop spreading fake news about a valid concern - but you are wrong in every post you write about this.

‘Highly sexual’ book to be removed from students’ sex education resource

www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2023/04/06/highly-sexual-book-to-be-removed-from-students-sex-education-resource/

The timelines for the programme are given here - it hasn't been released yet.

It's behind a paywall @EarringsandLipstick

@EarringsandLipstick but why the hell was it put on in the first instance. Why was the new Department of Educations SPHE curriculum putting that on a reading list for 12-14 year olds? Who the hell thought that was in any way appropriate?

Absolutely fine.

No issue with pronouns.

There is one girl in my DD's year who clearly has a lot of MH issues. She has variously been a lesbian, bisexual, identifying as a boy, as non-binary, and has now returned to using a male name and pronouns.

She is treated sensitively in school but no imposition of this ideology is being put on any of the other students.

Tbh, they don't engage much with her. Not in a mean way but she's a troubled teen that can't really interact with others.

Otherwise no issues at all.

I recognise there are issues, and it's becoming so at third level where I work. We tend to try to balance pragmatism with care & respect. So far, no issues around single sex spaces etc

I agree. It's wrong. So are proposed elements of the programme.

That's why I engaged with the consultation process last summer.

What I won't do is back fake news, and ideologically right wing lunatics who piggy-back on this issue to further their own agendas.

Across at least two threads you've been corrected about factual inaccuracies and you keep going.

I might share your concerns in part, but your approach - nope. Gript is not an outlet to back.

Well I can't help that.

Maybe buy the paper or subscribe? You seem to want authoritative sources.

Or log onto your local public library website and you can read it for free, if you're a member.

@EarringsandLipstick I don't subscribe to any of the mainstream media anymore. I boycotted😁I don't find them authorative quite the opposite. I find them biased & they are not pushing for women's rights enough or single sex spaces for women.

That's reassuring. I thought it may just be my niece, she had she/her on her Instagram profile for a long time & I was saying to her isn't it obvious you're a she?! She said all her friends were using their prounons on social media!
Now she's saying p going out of fashion in school & in her social circle. None of her friends identify as the opposite sex either. I was surprised to hear the trend was passing though pronouns were all the rage!

I mean, that's your decision of course.

It's not the role of a media outlet to 'push' for anything tho. A reliable source will cover stories in a balanced, informed way. They should also provide a platform for the opinions of opposing views.

Of course that doesn't always happen!

You are correct that RTE and the Irish Times are not covering these issues sufficiently.

The Times & Sindo are providing coverage.

If you eschew all MSM and only rely on biased. ideologically-driven sources like Gript, then of course you'll be misinformed.

For example, I read about the proposed new SPHE curriculum in the Sindo, and the consultation time frame. So I was able to submit my concerns and engage genuinely in the process, not confine myself to overwrought inaccurate posts on the internet.

I'm trying to step back from MN so I'll leave you to it ... but a final appeal to expand your reading beyond Gript.

@Bláthannabuí

There's certainly still issues regarding trans identification. It's not in my experience significantly affecting second level but for sure is a concern in third level - and as someone working there, the pronouns are being increasingly promoted.

I think a single small outlet being openly biased is not as big a problem as the state broadcaster and the paper of record presenting themselves as unbiased but clearly having a side. It's good to read widely.

There was an incident reported by RTE, I knew the protagonists. (Unrelated to this topic). There was a clumsy phrase used which made a lot of people give out about bias- and to be fair, it did suit the typical RTE perspective to frame it that way. But knowing the whole story I could see why they used that phrase, it wasn't untrue, depending on which side you stood. It could have been more neutrally phrased, it was designed to evoke a particular view of the situation. Subtle nudges like that must happen a lot more than they're picked up on.
At least with the likes of Gript, you know what perspective you're getting - the more perspectives the better. I accept that people have different views on important issues, we can't pretend they don't, I respect their right to look at the world differently to the way I do.

@EarringsandLipstick a mate of mine works in a university as well, accommodations or something like that. She mentioned once that there's a rise in trans identifying students and threw in as an aside, And of course they need single rooms. I wonder if some of it among college students is just plain playing the system. Not all of course, but its an incentive.

The thing that's frustrating is RTÉs refusal to report on any of this even the story about the reversal of the Gardaí not being forced to used use pronouns wasn't covered

@Bláthannabuí you've said this twice and it's not correct. RTE did cover it. It's on their website and I heard Paul Reynolds reporting it on Drivetime.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rtenews/status/1643220875586486272

You seem to think that if somebody (you or "concerned dad") says something on the Internet, that makes it fact. You are not helping your own argument by peddling lies and refusing to acknowledge evidence.

@Bláthannabuí , I see that the editor of Gript has deleted a tweet about the whole "anal fisting" thing because it was factually incorrect about the book on the list. What more do we need to say to convince you?

@SertralineAndTherapy the video is up on Facebook still.

Well, I've said all that I can possibly say. I wish you well, @Bláthannabuí. Good night!

Still up on Gript Facebook . 4,300 likes, 645 comments in support & 1,200 shares...
I'm not the only one with agrees with the dad.
Anal fisting or no anal fisting (the dad does say fisting, it's not a figment of my imagination!!) this book should be nowhere near 12 years old.. And we're all in agreement with that.

It's very disingenuous to keep only referring to him as 'the dad' when you very clearly know his name. Is that because his name holds so many negative associations that you either don't want to draw attention to or align yourself with?

I'm as GC as they come but your style and motivations here are very telling/dubious.

Yes & I've referred to the mum as the mum & the grandmother as the grandmother. I hadn't seen any of them since them before the article on Thursday. I have no inclination to know any more about any of the speakers. They are passionate, very concerned parents like the vast majority of us.

@IhearyouClemFandango how did I clearly know the dad's name? Please provide examples thank you.

Did you not call him Gavin further up the thread? Is that the example you are looking for?

@Micefeelpain no I didn't.. A couple of posters seem to know of the dad & named him. I hadn't seen or heard from him until the article & video.

You did call him Gavin.

https://gript.ie/public-meeting-on-parents-constitutional-rights-school-curriculum-and-gender-recognition-act/

Public meeting on parents constitutional rights. Glad to see this happening. Certain sectors want parents bypassed & sidelined.

@Bláthannabuí if you are aligning yourself with Aontú you are not interested in women's rights.

You said upthread you don't read mainstream news any more.

Maybe you should, to avoid going any further down the rabbit hole.

@Bláthannabuí I know you don't care but maybe some people who saw your posts where you sang the praises of the 'poor dad' might be interested in his latest antics - destroying the tents of homeless asylum seekers

twitter.com/pepgavin/status/1657127737809678342?s=46&t=XT7IHI6Nxh0e6QB1OYrfyA