Page 5 | 'Queen' Camilla

Replitad · 2023-04-04T22:12:17+00:00

I wouldn't have called myself a republican before now but I think the 'Queen' Camilla thing has tipped me over the edge. Pretty audacious considering their history and I think a lot of the public won't agree. I certainly won't be celebrating or even watching coronation.

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 04/04/2023 23:59

As someone upthread said, if Charles had been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, he would never have got divorced.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Isn't the rumour that the secret to their marriage is that they don't actually spend all that much time together. Probably easier for them to conduct their relationship like this having married much later in life. No stress on them to produce an heir etc.

Vanderlayinfustries · 04/04/2023 23:59

Mooshamoo · 04/04/2023 23:55

It does annoy me a bit because I remember that when they got married, they issued statements saying she would never be called "queen" that she would always be called "queen consort".

This was said at the time as Camilla was extremely unpopular at the time and the public did not want her as queen.

When they got married they said she would be known as queen consort , not queen, after marriage. This was said to make the public accept the marriage.

So they lied.

It also does slightly annoy me that the woman who had an affair with Charles for many years , is now Queen. It is tasteless.

What if the king of Spain had an affair for many years behind his wife's back. His first wife died. And he then went on to marry the woman he had an affair with and this woman them became queen. I think the Spanish public would be in uproar and would hate it.

A loy of nastiness happened with Charles, Camilla and Diana.

I agree. And the promise at the time was princess consort. It just feels so sneaky like a long game plan to be accepted as queen

MissingMoominMamma · 05/04/2023 00:00

JMSA · 04/04/2023 23:28

I couldn't give a flying fuck about them.

I feel the same.

RoseslnTheHospital · 05/04/2023 00:00

Vanderlayinfustries · 04/04/2023 23:56

Someone asks me who promised she'd be princess consort in a sealion manner.

When I said they promised I obviously meant Charles and Camilla. They promised this in 2005 when they got married. I clearly remember it from the time and many sources have referred to it of late. See pic.

That was me. If you think it was sealioning then report the post to MN and don't reply.

Luredbyapomegranate · 05/04/2023 00:00

Vanderlayinfustries · 04/04/2023 23:57

Adding to the above the Queen EIi agreed to the marriage on the grounds of this promise

QE said before her death she wanted Camilla to be Queen.

QE was interested in the survival of the monarchy, so when it seemed better for Camilla to just be a princess consort she wanted that, but as Diana retreated into history, there was no longer a reason that Camilla shouldn’t be Queen. QE was a practical woman.

Ndd135632 · 05/04/2023 00:01

Live and let live OP. They are happy.

Vanderlayinfustries · 05/04/2023 00:01

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 04/04/2023 23:59

As someone upthread said, if Charles had been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, he would never have got divorced.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Isn't the rumour that the secret to their marriage is that they don't actually spend all that much time together. Probably easier for them to conduct their relationship like this having married much later in life. No stress on them to produce an heir etc.

He had several affairs and has another child in the US.

We've been fed this line that Charles and Camilla were star crossed lovers and all that to shine up their image. The royal press machine is very slick!

I also wonder if marrying Camilla would have changed things based on the other affairs

twolilacs · 05/04/2023 00:02

Mooshamoo · 04/04/2023 23:55

It does annoy me a bit because I remember that when they got married, they issued statements saying she would never be called "queen" that she would always be called "queen consort".

This was said at the time as Camilla was extremely unpopular at the time and the public did not want her as queen.

When they got married they said she would be known as queen consort , not queen, after marriage. This was said to make the public accept the marriage.

So they lied.

It also does slightly annoy me that the woman who had an affair with Charles for many years , is now Queen. It is tasteless.

What if the king of Spain had an affair for many years behind his wife's back. His first wife died. And he then went on to marry the woman he had an affair with and this woman them became queen. I think the Spanish public would be in uproar and would hate it.

A loy of nastiness happened with Charles, Camilla and Diana.

No, they didn't lie about her future title when they married. At the time that was what they intended. However, shortly before she died, QEII said that she wanted Camilla to hold the title. So that is what they are doing.

Rosula · 05/04/2023 00:02

Vanderlayinfustries · 04/04/2023 23:27

When they married they promised she would never be queen

Tradition was broken when the marriage was allowed! So it shouldn't be followed for naming protocol.

I'm with the op

They didn't make any such promise.

What tradition was broken? You can hardly claim that there is no precedent within the Royal Family for divorced people remarrying.

Vanderlayinfustries · 05/04/2023 00:03

Sorry the son is in Australia not US. Just went to fact check that one.

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 00:03

twolilacs · 05/04/2023 00:02

No, they didn't lie about her future title when they married. At the time that was what they intended. However, shortly before she died, QEII said that she wanted Camilla to hold the title. So that is what they are doing.

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Where does it say QE2 wanted Camilla to hold the title of Queen?

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 05/04/2023 00:04

As someone upthread said, if Charles had been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, he would never have got divorced.

Camilla didn’t want to marry him.

APB was seen as the best catch in their circle. She wanted to marry him.

GrandTheftWalrus · 05/04/2023 00:05

Vanderlayinfustries · 05/04/2023 00:03

Sorry the son is in Australia not US. Just went to fact check that one.

Literally the first time I've heard this. What's your sources?

blacksax · 05/04/2023 00:05

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 00:03

Where does it say QE2 wanted Camilla to hold the title of Queen?

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It was all over the media at the time it happened.

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 00:06

It's one thing having an affair. Which is harsh enough. Just some of the nastiness that went on really seemsled unnecessarily cruel and heartless by Charles and Camilla. Which is why Camilla is still unpopular.

He bought Camilla presents and gifts right after he and Diana got married. He flaunted it in dianas face. He said ,"I refuse to be the only prince of Wales without a mistress,". He felt he was entitled to have a mistress.

magicthree · 05/04/2023 00:06

Oh just let it go - there's nothing you can do about it. As for not watching or celebrating the Coronation, do you think anyone will be affected, or even care?

I like Camilla and am happy to call her Queen.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 05/04/2023 00:09

GrandTheftWalrus · 05/04/2023 00:05

Literally the first time I've heard this. What's your sources?

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There’s an Australian man who regularly claims to be Charles and Camilla’s son.
Apparently born when they were teenagers (before they met according to most sources) and adopted.

his granny told him on her death bed who his real parents are…

DappledThings · 05/04/2023 00:09

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 00:03

Where does it say QE2 wanted Camilla to hold the title of Queen?

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At her last jubilee. Said she wanted Camilla to be known as Queen Consort. Doubt she realised this many people were so ignorant they thought that meant it would be her only title despite the media spelling it out as in this BBC article:
On the eve of her Jubilee, the Queen directly addressed the unresolved question of Camilla's future title.
"Queen Consort" refers to the spouse of a ruling king and would mean "Queen Camilla" as her future title.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60274816.amp

Queen backs Camilla to be Queen Consort on Jubilee - BBC News

Marking 70 years as monarch, the Queen says Camilla should have the title when Charles becomes King.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60274816.amp

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 00:09

We have looked at Camilla and Charles for so long that they have kind of become normal.

Lets look at it as if it was happening in another country.

Say the king of Spain was married.
The king had an affair with a woman behind his wife's back for many years.
His first wife died tragically.
The king then goes on the marry the woman he had an affair with, and expects the public to accept her as queen. I honestly think there would be protests in Spain.

Camilla is not popular. I've heard a lot of anti Camilla sentiment lately.

A lot of people are not happy about her being queen.

S25 · 05/04/2023 00:09

Her Majesty Queen Camilla.
Her Late Majesty Queen Elizabeth II literally said it was her wish that Camilla become Queen as you know she was originally only ever going to be the Princess Consort but Queen Elizabeth did not want this for her daughter-in-law and that’s why she made a statement that when the time comes that’s what she wanted to have happen.

Camilla and the Charles were made for eachother from the start, their deep love for one another is so clear. I wish people would allow the Late Diana to rest in peace, she’s been gone an awfully long time now and people don’t seem to want to let her rest.
She & Charles were never meant to be. He did not love her. It was an arranged marriage to produce children. He always loved Camilla and it baffles me that people are so blinded by love for Diana that they blame Charles for Diana’s untimely passing and class Camilla as all sorts of negative things. Diana was not an angel either and yet people are all so quick to forgive the things she did because she’s no longer here. None of us have any idea whatsoever what it was like for Charles to have to marry someone that was so young and whom he had very little interest in or anything in common with. He would have undoubtedly married Camilla instead and still been so happily married to her now but it wasn’t allowed.
Charles & Camilla are both fantastic human beings with great passions and The King a man way ahead of his time by way of his environmental endeavours. I like them both and I’m not particularly a royalist and I’m also only fairly young (born in the 90s) which I think makes me young enough to be separate from those in the middle age and above that have this very strange (in my opinion) infatuation with Diana still to this day instead of moving on.

MrsClatterbuck · 05/04/2023 00:09

RoseslnTheHospital · 04/04/2023 23:41

Because society was (and remains to a degree) massively sexist! Kings outrank Queens, hence Albert and Phillip remaining Princes instead.

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Actually I look at it the other way round as Camilla becomes Her Majesty Queen Camilla but Prince Philip was only a Royal Highness as HRH
Prince Philip

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 05/04/2023 00:10

massivenamechnage · 04/04/2023 23:55

Done her bit
wants a life
revenge?

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Revenge for what?

She seems to have a great life! When you become Royal you sign up to ‘do your bit’ for life

PurpleAirGuitar · 05/04/2023 00:11

It looks like a Year 6 child created it in Canva.

There are year 6 children who understand Canva? I wish one of them would come and help me with it - it's the bane of my life.

The new Queen should only be called the Queen Consort for ever if you think the previous one should have been called the Queen Regnant all the time. There's only one Queen alive at the moment, unlike the brief period when Queens Mary, Elizabeth and Elizabeth were all alive and entitled to use the title, so there's no confusion.

Vanderlayinfustries · 05/04/2023 00:11

blacksax · 05/04/2023 00:05

It was all over the media at the time it happened.

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I saw speculation in headlines but when you read the story she never said that at all. Stop falling for the press manipulation machine. Unless the queen out out a statement we have no idea. She did not

Vanderlayinfustries · 05/04/2023 00:12

It really astounds me how willing so many are to how down and be ruled and believe a headline from a tabloid. No critical thinking at all.