'Queen' Camilla

[Replitad]

I wouldn't have called myself a republican before now but I think the 'Queen' Camilla thing has tipped me over the edge.

Pretty audacious considering their history and I think a lot of the public won't agree. I certainly won't be celebrating or even watching coronation.

you can’t tell someone else how they should feel.

Exactly.

with the best will in the world Camilla isn’t going to be HM The Queen for 70 years (albeit she’ll be HM Queen Camilla until her death, even if Charles goes first) so it won’t have that same instant ‘Queen = QEII’ impact.

Yes.

That is correct, a King is considered more powerful than a Queen historically so therefore the male counterpart of a Queen Regnant is a Prince Consort.

Tbh I don't think Charles will see a jubilee. He's already in his 70s.

🤯

She is the Queen Consort, as apposed to a Queen Regnant who rules in her own right like Eliz II

But either variation is just called The Queen day to day

When Eliz II said she wanted Camilla to be Qu consort, she was clarifying that wasn’t the same as a ruling queen, she did not mean that Camilla would be called Queen Consort on a day to day basis, because that doesn’t happen. They’ve just used consort for this transition period because we’ve been so used to The Queen being a ruling Queen.

Why all the fuss? The whole reason the monarch is head of the C of England is because Henry 8 wanted to divorce his wife and marry his mistress..

No she shouldn’t be known as ‘Queen’ although I always knew he would get his own way quel surprise.

I do feel like the whole ‘King thing’ is being pushed hard. We all loved QE11 and I’m not sure anyone is that bothered about them now she’s gone.

I hope Charles keeps his tampon fingers away from acidic tight spaces and help the swelling so that ring fits.

Oh I say.

Camilla's look will appeal to many. She looks ordinary. Beautiful women are far more likely to face bitchy, unkind commentary. Unkind press, too. So they'll overlook her history seamlessly.

It's all hypocritical. What's with the anointing of holy oil, given she cuckolded her husband for years with Charles and was 3rd person in his marriage to Diana? Imagine an MN post in here about a blatant OW, folks would be scorning. The church thing is silly. I'm not a Royalist at the best of times but even I can see the difference between her and Queen Elizabeth is glaring in terms of being and Queen-like.

I did see that clip when on arrival at venue with Charles she strode ahead of him + completely ignored the cultural Maori group who were performing at entrance for her arrival. More fool them.

It'd be better without Charles' Coronation of pomp and pageantry in these times. They can just get on with doing their thing quietly, surely. Just all seems a bit soap opera to me but I do think there's a predisposition towards serfdom over here hence the strong support of (some of...) the Royals

Yes, as is normal with married kings.

Couldn’t care less what she’s called - and this affects me how? My day to day is not affected my KCIII or QC even the bank holiday is a double edged sword the day off is great but I won’t get paid for it, if they had had the coronation on a Friday I would have!

I am a republican, but why shouldn’t be be called queen? Every queen consort before her has been known as queen, as Kate will.

I love that it will get the DM readers frothing.

the whole concept of royalty/nobility/authority being transmitted at birth by primogeniture is utterly offensive and has no place in a just /fair society. everyone who celebrates the coronation ought to be ashamed, but they won't be as they are too mentally enslaved.

I really can't bring myself to care. Why is it so wrong that the Royals get divorced/have affairs etc when it's ok for the rest of us? They are people, with feelings, just like anyone else. I appreciate that they are in the public eye and cost taxpayers money (but probably also bring in a lot of money from tourism), but they are still human beings.

As someone upthread said, if Charles had been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, he would never have got divorced.

I wouldn't have called myself a republican before now but I think the 'Queen' Camilla thing has tipped me over the edge.

The irony.

It’s because female monarchs were rare (because they only succeeded if no brother was available), and because a ruling King and a Queen consort was the norm the worry was always that a male consort would take over.

in the days when monarchs were actually in charge that could be really destabilising. Though more recently it can still mess with the concept of a clear head of state eg a consort like Prince Albert muscling in on Victoria’s job because of her endless pregnancies.

Done her bit
wants a life
revenge?

It's not OK in most people's morals for people to have affairs, they cost the NHS in MH treatment, STIs, abortions, child support & court cases - exhibit Harry as ex example of the MH impact.

Charles is the Head of their Church too.

I find it bizarre to be so involved in the relationship status if two people you don’t know 🤷‍♀️

do you literally have no divorced friends who you’ve supported in second relationships @Replitad ? Do you genuinely believe in the absolute sacrament of first marriage or are you just looking for a misogynistic stick to beat Camilla with? If not then why is respect to her the tipping point for you?

It does annoy me a bit because I remember that when they got married, they issued statements saying she would never be called "queen" that she would always be called "queen consort".

This was said at the time as Camilla was extremely unpopular at the time and the public did not want her as queen.

When they got married they said she would be known as queen consort , not queen, after marriage. This was said to make the public accept the marriage.

So they lied.

It also does slightly annoy me that the woman who had an affair with Charles for many years , is now Queen. It is tasteless.

What if the king of Spain had an affair for many years behind his wife's back. His first wife died. And he then went on to marry the woman he had an affair with and this woman them became queen. I think the Spanish public would be in uproar and would hate it.

A loy of nastiness happened with Charles, Camilla and Diana.

The wife of the King is the Queen Consort. What's audacious about that?

Someone asks me who promised she'd be princess consort in a sealion manner.

When I said they promised I obviously meant Charles and Camilla. They promised this in 2005 when they got married. I clearly remember it from the time and many sources have referred to it of late. See pic.

Adding to the above the Queen EIi agreed to the marriage on the grounds of this promise

I think the monarchy is a colossal waste of money and increasingly irrelevant. I don't mind Camilla herself. The wife of the King has always been a Queen and I couldn't care less what she's called.

Oh, FFS. Wife no. 1 wore a rather frumpy blue outfit when they got engaged, so wife no. 2 is banned from wearing blue ever? That's just ridiculous. It's not as if wife no. 1 was going to be queen, she wanted the divorce.