Dog attack: American Bulleys AGAIN (trigger warning)

[CrossBun]

(Frequent name changer, not trying to be controversial)

6 year old mauled to unconsciousness in Manchester by a pack of 5 dogs reportedly American Bully’s. Although they’re still investigating.

How many more times? How long is this going to go on for before someone does something? It seems like absolute insanity. I struggle to make sense of this as in how we can tolerate this as a civilised society. It’s so preventable.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girl-6-mauled-pack-dogs-26570151

Oh that’s okay then 🙄

bully breeds have no place in civilised societies. I definitely include Staffordshire bull terriers in that.

Get a small non-bully breed dog if you must, one that can only inflict a smsll
bite when it goes beast, rather than one capable of killing a child.

She'd grown up around staffies as her parents had always had them and she talked of their bad rep and how unjustified it was. Her staffie used to sleep in the cot with both of her children when babies.

In the cot?? That's appalling.

There are very few dogs that are totally incapable of killing or seriously injuring a small child.

Maybe lap dogs - I’ve never heard of death by shihtzu or Maltese or similar.

If that is the case, why do we tolerate these risky beasts around our innocent, vulnerable children?
It would make my day to see the downfall of dogs, and their dirty owners.

@Saz12

Because dogs like to drink from puddles, sniff things etc and 99% of all dogs are of no danger to anyone or other animals. It's like saying we should curfew men because a handful get drunk and violent on Saturday nights.

We need to have proper dog registration, compulsory 3rd party insurance, and where a breed or cross is disproportionately involved in violence against humans or other animals, restrictions brought in for that subset of animals eg muzzle and lead walked in public. But remember most attacks are on private property so none of this is helpful plus owners of said dogs aren't necessarily going to comply

Oh and remember dogs need to be able to pant efficiently to stop overheating, muzzling restricts this.

If only people actually trained their dogs properly we wouldn't have a problem, how about compulsory lessons and can't be let off lead until they pass the silver level at least (my ddog has gold level )

Maybe lap dogs - I’ve never heard of death by shihtzu or Maltese or similar.

Quite. There is a database of all dog related deaths (adult and child) and breeds in the UK. There is the odd exception but most of them are the same 4 or 5 dogs with little variation.

XL bullies are just rebranded pitbulls.

Pitbulls were specifically bred for fighting other dogs. They were selected by dog fighters for their tenacity and ‘gameness’. Human aggression was not culled out of the bloodlines.

The reason these “lovely family dogs”
often just “snap” with no warning is that they don’t often display many typical signs warning signs before they attack. This is because doing so would not be an advantage in a commercial dog fighting match. Similarly, they will not stop fighting when another dog is showing signs of submission. Because that would make a dog fight boring. They often do not stop attacking once their opponent is dead of even if they themselves are seriously injured. I’ve seen horrible video of a pitbull disembowled by a boar and it was continuing to attempt to fight it.

I cannot stress enough how fucking dangerous American pit bulls are. These are dogs which can and will kill people. Frequently children and the elderly, but they have also mauled adult owners to death. There was a recent case in Texas where an elderly man was attacked by two loose pitbulls. The dogs were eating him when emergency services showed up.

People keep saying it is due to mistreatment or abuse but very often these are beloved family dogs raised by the family since puppyhood which suddenly turn and attack. They are not good pets and I do not understand why anyone would want to own one when they have the deserved reputation that they do. There are so many other breeds better suited to family life.

It's like saying we should curfew men because a handful get drunk and violent on Saturday nights.

It’s not though. As has been said loads on this thread pit bulls and similar dogs were created purely to take down bears and bulls. (Bull baiting etc.) When that was made illegal they switched to dog fighting. That is their entire reason for having been created. They are not a natural evolution.

Watch that panorama programme up thread jeez the state of those people just totally awful

@CrossBun which 5 breeds is it? Thanks.

@Nalupa I've just read through that list. If you have a google you'll see there has been case after case in South Africa recently too of people, mostly children, killed in attacks. In one case the two dogs were then beaten to death by a mob.

which 5 breeds is it? Thanks.

Going back over 4 decades.. mostly:

Pit Bull/ American Pit Bull (7)
American Bull dog/ crosses (8)
Staffordshire Bull Terrier (Staffie)/ or crosses (11)
American Bully XL. (7)
Rotweiller (6)

There are a couple of huskies, 2 Cane Corsos and 3 german shepherds.

That is number of human deaths in brackets. 1 of the GSDs was a police dog. (On a drugs hunt, victim was innocent).

I think any dog which weighs more than me, on balance, is probably likely to be a problem. It’s bigger than me and has teeth and a jaw which locks tight. No thanks. Needs legislation.

Quite aside from dangerous dogs, I think that there's a significant number of dog owners who don't actually realise that the pet they want is a cat.

They exercise themselves, and are happy enough alone for parts of the day, whilst still being loving and fluffy.

Hundreds of dogs are living sad lives without enough exercise or company because their owners couldn't even work out which pet they wanted.

I would be delighted if all
these breeds were erased.

Aside from deaths though, even non bully breed dogs can cause horrendous damage. They are not worth the risk. Look at this poor kid.

“Kenzie Riemenschneider, 2, of Houlton, St Croix County, was playing with Curly, a 10-month-old Bernedoodle, while perched on the couch. She took hold of the dog's LED collar and turned it around, reportedly "blinding" him with the light. The dog snapped at the little girl's face, biting off the top of her left ear and removing a part of her lip.”

https://meaww.com/pet-dog-mauls-wisconsin-toddler-after-being-spooked-by-led-collar?fbclid=IwAR0stuBzGNZBtGQOvrIw0sObWs-jL0s-xPvn8sYpGs9fZOZsozW4yGlVvp8#lftxdhxbmns5pk7yi3f

Me too

We keep being horrified but nothing happens

Agreed. But we need to consider the kids, too. Any animal that can hurt a child should not be in our homes.

I could not agree more.

Pressed send too soon! I’ve got a cat and he’s great. He will even play fetch with tinfoil balls.

Aside from deaths though, even non bully breed dogs can cause horrendous damage.

Yes that’s the problem with just focussing on deaths. There are hundreds more dog injuries to children from ‘the family pet’ which is any dog.

Of course any dog can be a problem if it has a bad owner, or unsupervised young children, or if children aren’t taught how to be safe with their dog. So good prevention is important. But in terms of deaths it’s really stark. There is no good reason to have some of those dogs.