Dog attack: American Bulleys AGAIN (trigger warning)

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(Frequent name changer, not trying to be controversial)

6 year old mauled to unconsciousness in Manchester by a pack of 5 dogs reportedly American Bully’s. Although they’re still investigating.

How many more times? How long is this going to go on for before someone does something? It seems like absolute insanity. I struggle to make sense of this as in how we can tolerate this as a civilised society. It’s so preventable.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girl-6-mauled-pack-dogs-26570151

Some dogs do "just turn" if they develop Rage Syndrome, more common in some dogs than others but can happen in any

Because the breeder was a waster they met in the pub who is no doubt untraceable or in prison. He probably has 3 phones, 2 facebooks and is uncontactable on any of them.

They might find him down the park training his dogs jaws on the zip line (reason our local one was removed)

The trouble is that it doesn't even make a difference if these breeds are supervised or not, if the worst happens and they attack a child (or indeed an adult). Many of the attacks have shown that several grown men cannot stop it, let alone a mother who thinks she's supervising her child and her dog.

We accept dogs have their characteristics bred into them. So we love a whippet that runs really fast, we tolerate Jack Russells digging holes in the garden, we acknowledge amusing a collie is a full time job, and a retriever that retrieves is a good dog.... so why do we say the behaviour in bully breeds is down to bad owners and not enough training?
Bring back dog licences and remove any dog that isn't licensed because it proves the owner isn't responsible enough to keep a dog

The BBC ran a really good show on dog breeding years ago. It showed a study on how if you breed the mildest mannered dogs consistently you could easily change their behaviour quite quickly. I remember they had a group of aggressive dogs (all breeds) as an example of breeding the other way and they were awful. Locked up for their own safety.

also an experiment to domesticate wolves ut can or be done. You can not change an animal with kindness.

It cannot * be done

There is a young man who I see on a daily basis with a massive German shepherd, he has got that dog so well trained, he does not let it move out of his sight before calling him back etc, he makes him stay, sit when people are walking past, he really is very much in control. It's good to see, I wish everyone was like that with their dogs

@Parsley1234 - I didn't grow up in the UK, so my cultural references are different - I explain this as I don't mean my question to be offensive - I genuinely want to know - if "everyone" knows who they are, why isn't "everyone" reporting them to the police? You state that there aren't enough police, by which I presume they will never be caught on a random foot patrol, but the police would have to act if enough people reported them. I'm no great supporter of the police, given recent events, but even I can see that they can't be expected to know about everything illegal going on.

These dogs are usually kept by the sort of owners who would turn a golden retriever into a killer.

Too bad some people can’t be banned from owning dogs.

That's why GS are used as police dogs and rarely any other breed. They are known for their calm alertness and trainablility.

@Sistanotcista what can the police do ? the dogs aren’t banned there aren’t enough police the demographic that owns the bulleys are uneducated chavs who don’t care about social concerns just a total mess all round

When bred correctly. The majority of the ones being bred these days are neurotic bundles of anxiety

All dogs should be trained to an inch. I have recently taken on a large guarding breed as a rehome. I walk him several miles at least twice a day and always on a lead. He is extremely good on the lead and not reactive to other dogs in the sense that he rarely looks at other dogs but if the yappers give him a mouthful he either ignores or huffs in passing but carries on his walk.
I read this thread this morning then took him out and the only issue we had was when an off lead spaniel followed him and shoved her nose up his bottom. At this he jumped, his hackles went up and he turned his head and huffed. The other owner was mortified and obviously aware she was lucky he is a good natured beast, she apologised, I praised and patted him and we went on our way. I don't know what he would have done if he hadn't been on a lead and I won't put him or me in that position for both our sakes.
I don't know what I'm trying to convey really but as an aside I wish there was not so much breeding and designer cross breeding going on for a start and I wish people would look to rescue where possible although I know many can't jump the hoops required for some rescues.

There is a disgusting woman in my community who has one of these - and I don't even remotely feel bad for calling her that, she is a horrible person and routinely spouts abuse & threatens violence against anyone and everyone who has the displeasure of meeting her.

Her dog is allowed to freely roam in the streets/parks/playgrounds where I live. She doesn't walk it, simply let's it out the front door of her house to do whatever it feels like doing. It has chased people, tried to attack small children and other dogs. Nearly been hit by cars multiple times on a daily basis.

Numerous members of our community have reported the dog to the council, the dog warden, the police - no one gives a shit or will do anything about it. Always the same excuse of "Well we came and had a look, but the dog was no longer there when we arrived" and "Well it isn't actually an offensive if the dog is simply roaming the streets". Totally ridiculous. Only a matter of time before it properly attacks someone and I will 100% blame the totally inept council when that happens - they've been given enough damn warnings about this dog over the last year. It will happen eventually, only a matter of to whom.

Can't even report to the RSPCA either as they claim allowing the dog to freely roam the streets every day doesn't count as neglect, therefore they have no need to investigate.

I almost hope someone hits the dog with their car because at least that would solve the problem. Unfair on the dog of course to be owned by such a terrible excuse of a human, but no charities or animal welfare groups will take responsibility for it either. Given the dogs behaviour I find it nearly impossible not to assume it's being abused by the owner at home too.

The entire situation is insane.

Ah, apologies. I understood from your comment "There’s not enough police so nothing will change" that there was an action for the police to take here. But if there is no law being broken then I appreciate that there's no point in reporting. Thanks for clarifying.

I’ve just read that the police have siezed SEVENTEEN dogs off the owner responsible for the attack! 17!!!

I haven't read the full thread, but the fundamental issue here isn't the dog (although clearly there are some that are seriously dangerous) but the reason behind the upsurge in breeding. And it's entirely criminal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001hjbw

What??? @MoroccanRoseHChurch Christ where did they house them all?
That's shameful, nobody can look after that number of dogs in a house, did they say whether they were kennelled?

Yes I remember that I think they did it with Minks as well. Showed how hostile they were to humans but there is that 1 in 100 that isn’t and you breed from that one.

@Reddickyouless I read something about a caravan. Outrageous isn't it

Just come to me, there is a woman who has a monster of a dog by my house, it has cropped ears. Anyway I was walking to the shop with little one and she was stood with it on the corner of the road on the lead but clearly struggling as the dog was pulling etc, I stopped a little away and told my ds to walk up the bank away from the dog so we didn't have to walk past them, and she said to me "no she's fine she's just frightened" I thought, that doesn't make me feel any better !!!

You would be surprised even tiny dogs cause significant injury. Its the fact they have teeth and once you get an infection... it's the owners not the dogs fault.

Nine of them were a litter of puppies, I believe.

They need to be banned, the breed association stated they are descended from pitbulls. Dog fighting has been banned for decades. There is no purpose for these dogs. They are dangerous and when the owners cannot handle them, also suffer as too often they are abused/dumped.