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Dog attack: American Bulleys AGAIN (trigger warning)

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CrossBun · 29/03/2023 21:09

(Frequent name changer, not trying to be controversial)

6 year old mauled to unconsciousness in Manchester by a pack of 5 dogs reportedly American Bully’s. Although they’re still investigating.

How many more times? How long is this going to go on for before someone does something? It seems like absolute insanity. I struggle to make sense of this as in how we can tolerate this as a civilised society. It’s so preventable.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girl-6-mauled-pack-dogs-26570151

Girl, 6, mauled by pack of dogs while playing as brave pedestrians fought them

The girl is understood to be in a stable condition

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girl-6-mauled-pack-dogs-26570151

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LuvSmallDogs · 30/03/2023 07:04

TitterYeeNot · 30/03/2023 01:11

Make dog owners pass IQ tests. Pretty sure those who’d want to have an American Bully XL would score too low to succeed.

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Oh okay, so any adults with mental disabilities affecting their IQ shouldn't be allowed a dog for company. What a lovely thought.

Kanaloa · 30/03/2023 07:13

Maverickess · 30/03/2023 01:17

I take your point about the talking to strangers etc, no, we shouldn't have to teach children not to talk to strangers, but bad people exist so we do it to keep them safe.
Same could apply to dogs. I think the basics are a good idea.

I do think some people on that thread though were thinking that it was a good way for bad owners to continue being bad owners by putting the onus on the people being approached/jumped on/barked at to recognise dog behaviour rather than the owner to control the dog. And I could see that pov.

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Yes - I think the problem on that thread was that I believe it was based on someone mentioning a young child who didn’t like a dog that was constantly approaching them and people insisted they ‘have to learn how to behave as they can’t avoid dogs.’ If the lessons were ‘never approach strange dogs’ then that would be fine. But avoidance is the crux of people’s responsibility - people shouldn’t have to learn how to tolerate dogs approaching or bothering them as it simply shouldn’t happen.

follyfoot37 · 30/03/2023 07:15

begoneday · 29/03/2023 21:32

I think it’s fairly bloody obvious to anyone capable of critical thinking. If one breed of dog is responsible for most of the fatal or near fatal dog attacks in the UK, that breed needs to be banned. Emotions don’t need to come into it. It’s just counting.

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No, it's the breed of dog owner that should be banned.
All dogs have the potential to attack, be they tiny and dressed like a fucking idiot while being 'walked' in a pram, or be they big and butch dressed merely in a studded collar and lead free.
The difference is that the owners of the former tend to be pathetic people who see dogs as their baby, and are therefore not teaching their dogs to attack, whereas those who own the 'more muscley' dogs tend to have only a few brain cells which they use to make their dogs (ergo themselves) aggressive

RedHelenB · 30/03/2023 07:18

Of course they should be banned. Otherwise we become like the USA, its not dogs that kill its their owners.They're huge vicious beasts, and unsuitable as pets.

SlashBeef · 30/03/2023 07:21

I loathe these dogs. How long will we let them continue mauling and killing kids?

salcombebabe · 30/03/2023 07:22

AluckyEllie · 29/03/2023 22:24

There needs to be a no tolerance approach to a dog attack. As soon as one attacks it should be put to sleep- like that one that attacked the police horse, why is it not instantly destroyed? I know it is mainly the fault of the owner but it is already vicious and it is just a dog. Put the dog to sleep and massive fine for the owner, 10k or so. Immediate ban on owning animals and strictly enforcing that too.

⬆️ this!!!!

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CrossBun · 30/03/2023 07:42

These dogs are bred from Pit Bulls and are quite recently created. The breeders involved have essentially arbitrarily declared they believe they are now a separate breed. They are not currently recognised by the Kennel Club as a separate breed.

But they are essentially Pit Bulls by another name, which are banned in the UK and many countries. It’s taking time for legislation to catch up. It will be interesting to see what happens with these in terms of legislation. But sadlly there is likely going to be more lives lost before any action is taken, if at all. Banning breeds is still controversial in many respects.

It’s not just one thing though, it’s multi factorial. Ultimately they were bred for aggression, attacking animals and fighting. It’s that combined with their power and size, the fact that they attract idiot owners, and they seem to have an element of unpredictability, that makes them dangerous overall.

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SerendipityJane · 30/03/2023 07:46

In a week when NO is being banned for being a nuisance, the fact dogs remain tells you societies priorities.

Dogs appear to be the UKs answer to guns.

MarshaBradyo · 30/03/2023 07:49

SerendipityJane · 30/03/2023 07:46

In a week when NO is being banned for being a nuisance, the fact dogs remain tells you societies priorities.

Dogs appear to be the UKs answer to guns.

The reaction seems to be the same

Lots of it’s terrible another child has died but no will to change anything

Birthdaygirltoday33 · 30/03/2023 07:50

Check out Reddit r/banpitbulls

GooseberryCinnamonYogurt · 30/03/2023 07:54

Bookshipper · 29/03/2023 21:33

Yep ban them.

Aren't they already banned?

GooseberryCinnamonYogurt · 30/03/2023 07:55

Fathobbit · 29/03/2023 21:34

Muzzles on all dogs in public. That’s what I’d do.

Not all dog attacks happen in the public domain

caramac04 · 30/03/2023 08:01

This week I have seen a German Shepherd crossed with a Bully ie pit bull cross.
I think that is alarming and I genuinely think that is dangerous mix. That is the problem with banning breeds, unscrupulous breeders start crossing but still want a ‘hard’ dog.
As ever, humans are to blame but it’s the innocent ones who get hurt.
I say this as a responsible dog owner who has/does own bull and guard breeds.

Tekkentime · 30/03/2023 08:09

Birthdaygirltoday33 · 30/03/2023 07:50

Check out Reddit r/banpitbulls

Wow, seems like they're a problem everywhere.

Just shows, "it's the owner, not the breed," to be absolute bullsh*t!

We shouldn't be letting people breed and walk around with these dangerous weapons in public.

Ylvamoon · 30/03/2023 08:21

I love dogs and I have dogs.

But I think the trend for big muscle dogs is dangerous. I also agree that something needs to be done in regards to these breeds, the law should change.
These dogs need to be taken off our streets and banned from our homes.

As for the smaller American Bulley- I've seen 2 in RL.... we'll it's an welfare issue! The things can't walk for all the muscle that they have to carry!
Maybe dog licensing should come back.
Breed and adress can be registered. Dogs can wear a brightly colour disc on their collar to indicate that they are registered. So much easier for police & general public to spot.

Perpetuallyexhaustedtoddlermum · 30/03/2023 08:23

I have a purebred staffy who is neutered and hasn't harmed a soul because I bothered to train him and I keep him under control.
I hate that I'm being lumped in with a very certain group of people that I wouldn't be seen dead with.
I grew up around Staffies and Pitbulls and I trust them far more than smaller dogs because I nearly lost 2 fingers to a Jack Russell at 3 years old.
Sure enough my dads Pitbull stopped that jack russell in its tracks.
That Pitbull was like my second mummy, they used to find her guarding my cot.

To some of you, it's like you just hate all dogs and dog owners so there's not much point wasting time explaining things to you.

Bintymcbintface · 30/03/2023 08:46

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 23:21

Ah, here we are. All dogs should be banned unless working etc.

Some of the most aggressive dogs I have met have been small breeds... because their owners wont train it out of them. They think small = harmless

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Some... No wait... ALL... of the nastiest dogs I've ever encountered have been small wee lap dogs, horribly yippy snappy things that OK might not have the strength to kill but could take your fingers off no problem

SisterAgatha · 30/03/2023 08:48

Absolutely agree that there are banned breeds just obviously walking around unchecked. A family has one. It was taken away for DNA testing and found to not contain the right % but it has to be muzzled. It’s not. She’s bred from it. The pups are stronger and bigger and frankly look more pitbull, one has just been taken away again and will be destroyed. But the amount of time it’s taken to get to that is ridiculous, she had to be reported several times. The dog is chipped so who has done that?

Honestly? I’m glad. It’s one less pair of jaws on the street.

Bintymcbintface · 30/03/2023 08:50

stbrandonsboat · 29/03/2023 23:41

I think you're being deliberately obtuse now. Small dogs can bite, but when was the last time you heard of a person being killed by a cockapoo? Or a Yorkshire terrier or a westie? They can be a nuisance at worst, not a fatal threat.

I'll repeat. Nobody needs a dog. Nobody needs a pet at all. They're pleasant to have around, but is it worth someone's life?

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I wouldn't say being bitten by a small dog is no more than a nuisance 🙄

SidekickSylvia · 30/03/2023 09:00

The last time I visited the hairdresser, we talked about our dogs; I have a KC spaniel and she has a staffy. She'd grown up around staffies as her parents had always had them and she talked of their bad rep and how unjustified it was. Her staffie used to sleep in the cot with both of her children when babies.

Her parents have a 10 year old staffie and decided they would love an XL Bully so bought a male puppy. The staffy hated it, so at 6 months old they gave it (XL B) to her brother who lives in a flat with another large breed. She told me she felt sorry for the XL B because it's in the flat all day, her brother's a 'stoner' who can't be bothered to walk either dog, and she's stopped taking her kids round because the puppy's 'fkn massive' now. I naively asked why it wasn't returned to the breeder and she looked at me like I was nuts. The stoner brother has his v young kids every other weekend. It was 3 weeks ago and I think of our conversation every day. Can I report it? Who to?

Goingtothebeach · 30/03/2023 09:16

Kitchakerching · 29/03/2023 22:27

Again. 😠

I tell you what I'd like to happen.. Round up all the pit bull descendants (that's what they are) and their scanky owners and stick them all in one compound and they can live happily vaping, talking incoherent English and mauling each other to death. Yes I'm in a bad mood this evening but I'm so sick of hearing about these repeated attacks knowing for every one we hear about, there's others we don't. It's only scummy, waster shit bags that own them, the country would be better off without them anyway.

This

Reddickyouless · 30/03/2023 09:49

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 23:28

Who are "these people"?

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Or intimidate/threaten
There needs to be a dedicated canine team who responds to reports of possible dangerous dogs. A team that can dart/test DNA and have the power to immediately remove the dog if necessary
The police have very little training in this area

DdraigGoch · 30/03/2023 10:06

k1233 · 30/03/2023 00:48

@Teder "It was one dog that apparently ‘turned’.

Dogs don't just "turn". They give many, many signs of discomfort that owners ignore. Allowing a child to continue interacting with the dog when it has shown these signs will possibly result in the dog snapping or biting. Signs such as whale eyes, yawning, lip licking, looking away, stiff tail wag, physically moving away. There's so many and it is the owners job to know when dogs are uncomfortable and address that by eg moving the dog to somewhere quiet where it won't be molested by a child.

With the incident in the OP, what can be done. As noted the type of people with dogs like this aren't likely to obey laws around muzzling or follow breed specific legislation. What can be done? I think a few things.

  1. Make it compulsory for vets to check for microchip every time they see an animal. If unchipped, the dog is chipped on the spot, it's not optional. This would go a long way to chipping all dogs - there's regularly dogs that aren't chipped, which is against the law where I am but is common place in reality.
  2. Enforce dogs on leads in public spaces with hefty fines for those that are not - exception being off lead on designated dog area egdog park or dog beach
  3. Enforce lead less than 2m long laws - don't allow dogs to wander willy nilly on the pretense they are on a lead and under effective control - again hefty fines if not
  4. Laws to restrict the number of dogs owned to maximum 2, regardless of breed - fines for owning more than two unless you are a registered breeder.
  5. Compulsory breeder registration, which includes breeds breeder is breeding, and tracking of dogs sold (currently the law in Australia and I'm very curious to see stats on what dogs end up abandoned and needing rehoming) - sale of puppies requiring registered breeder ID and penalties exceeding breeder registration fee if "breeder" is unregistered.
  6. Wandering dogs - if point 1 happens, you'll know who to fine
  7. If you own a dog that attacks a person or other animal - dog is PTS and owners fined a substantial amount ie 10k which is paid to the victim. This is recovered even if people are on benefits - it is garnished from wages or benefit payments
  8. If you have a pack of dogs, as in this instance, that attacks a person or animal, the fine is 10k per dog and is paid to the victim/s. The only way to stop people acquiring dangerous dogs is to make it financially impossible for them to do so.
  9. The owners in point 7 are banned from ever owning dogs again and this is monitored. There would need to be some way to prevent them claiming someone else "owned" the dog if it lived with them 24/7.

Compulsory breeder registration, breeder identification for life of dog, dog identification will enable tracking of all dogs and tracing issues back to who has bred those dogs eg if dogs are being deliberately bred from aggressive bloodlines.

Dog owners - there's compulsory registration in Australia through local councils. People again avoid that. Should be large fines for unregistered dogs.

The only thing that makes people pay attention is money. Make it financially painful to do the wrong thing. That is the only way to stop it as the current system of it's required but nothing happens if you don't do it eg register, microchip etc isn't working. Having a dog is a choice. Following the rules around dog ownership shouldn't be.

Can I just add that we need a DNA database to make it easier to fine those who fail to pick up

stbrandonsboat · 30/03/2023 10:31

carriedout · 30/03/2023 05:47

There's no evidence that society is worsening. You just sound like a misanthropic moaner.

There was far more violence in schools in the past - fighting was just tolerated, bullying was rife, parents and teachers could hit kids.

There are always some people who are violent, but general tolerance of that is reducing, meaning it is reported more.

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Now instead, kids are hitting the teachers 🙄