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Dog attack: American Bulleys AGAIN (trigger warning)

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CrossBun · 29/03/2023 21:09

(Frequent name changer, not trying to be controversial)

6 year old mauled to unconsciousness in Manchester by a pack of 5 dogs reportedly American Bully’s. Although they’re still investigating.

How many more times? How long is this going to go on for before someone does something? It seems like absolute insanity. I struggle to make sense of this as in how we can tolerate this as a civilised society. It’s so preventable.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girl-6-mauled-pack-dogs-26570151

Girl, 6, mauled by pack of dogs while playing as brave pedestrians fought them

The girl is understood to be in a stable condition

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girl-6-mauled-pack-dogs-26570151

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MarchMadness23 · 29/03/2023 23:20

Fathobbit · 29/03/2023 22:56

The thing with licences and insurance - it’s not immediately obvious whether a dog has these. Muzzles in public places at all times - I think has a better chance of being adhered to as it’s so obvious when someone has broken the rules. I remember when the smoking ban came in and I genuinely thought people would just ignore it, it came in and the adherence to the new rule was astonishingly high. I reckon the same would happen with muzzles as it’s so obvious to any bystander.

@Fathobbit how would that have helped in this case??

Comedycook · 29/03/2023 23:21

I used to find staffs terrifying....they look like docile kittens compared to these hideous XL bullies

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 23:21

stbrandonsboat · 29/03/2023 23:18

It doesn't matter. People should be given a choice of small, non typically aggressive breeds and they can keep one as a pet and that's it. Size matters in attacks and it's easier to overpower a small dog than a larger one. Nobody needs a dog unless it's a working breed or an assistance dog and these are all well trained and come from good breeding stock.

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Ah, here we are. All dogs should be banned unless working etc.

Some of the most aggressive dogs I have met have been small breeds... because their owners wont train it out of them. They think small = harmless

MakingTheVeganYorkshirePud · 29/03/2023 23:22

10speckledfrogs · 29/03/2023 23:11

I'm used to treating my dog as a restricted breed (he is a German Shepherd, we live in Northern Ireland on the border with the Republic which we cross into regularly. In the ROI he is required to be on a 6ft or shorter lead, muzzled at all times, and under the control of somebody over the age of 16 at all times)

He is a friendly dog and great with my children, although never unsupervised, but he is a guarding breed and does show that behaviour on our property and is aloof with strangers when out and about (meaning he would rather you just walk past and won't engage a random person for a pat, although he won't be nasty either)

It has become second nature and we don't always bother removing the muzzle once we get back into northern ireland because it no longer registers that he is wearing anything different.

the ROI doesn't ban any dog breed, it just restricts and fines or confiscates dogs if owners don't follow those.

I do think that perhaps restrictions as opposed to bans might be the way to go in the UK. They really aren't that annoying to follow when you are used to them, they just become second nature. The dogs aren't looked at with a stigma, people still know these breeds are often friendly despite the muzzle, it just places barriers in the way of people who want to own them for the wrong reasons. Unlike licences it is immediately obvious whether or not a dog is on lead and muzzled, any that aren't their owners feel the consequences as soon as the police see them.

We shouldn't blame the dogs, we should blame the people in charge of them, but until all people can be reasonable and start training their dogs properly why not mitigate risks from the few bad ones?

Dogs can still run free in secure gardens and enclosed dog fields - and to be honest unless people have access to those spaces, large athletic breeds are not suited to their lifestyle anyway.

We also need more dog wardens about again to catch and bring under control dogs that wander. The dog warden used to take those dogs to the pound and the owner had to pay a fee and undergo a lecture to get their dog back. There are only so many times people want to pay £100 to free their dog, and if owners just didn't care, those dogs ended up unclaimed and rehomed / in a rescue centre / euthanised

I think this is very rational.

I also think that all dog breeding should be banned. On a practical level, there are hundreds of thousands dogs in rescue who need a suitable home. On a moral level, and only imo, no greedy fucker should profit from breeding and selling animals. Heavy custodial penalties would nip it in the bud immediately, and stop the breeding of 'dangerous dogs'.

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 23:23

KittyAlfred · 29/03/2023 23:20

Maybe the owners should be prosecuted as if they’d committed the assault. So if their dog killed someone, the owner would get charged with murder. It might make them take it a bit more seriously.

Murder would mean there was intent.

Youcanpayit · 29/03/2023 23:26

One of DS's friends has 2 of these dogs. The "big" one has a head that's 28 cm wide. That's a bloody big head.

They have a 6 month old pup too. DS came back from their house with a gummy shaped bruise on his arm from the 6 month old 'playing'. Nah. He's not allowed round there any more.

I like dogs in general, but these things are massive, muscular and utterly terrifying.

MarchMadness23 · 29/03/2023 23:26

10speckledfrogs · 29/03/2023 23:11

I'm used to treating my dog as a restricted breed (he is a German Shepherd, we live in Northern Ireland on the border with the Republic which we cross into regularly. In the ROI he is required to be on a 6ft or shorter lead, muzzled at all times, and under the control of somebody over the age of 16 at all times)

He is a friendly dog and great with my children, although never unsupervised, but he is a guarding breed and does show that behaviour on our property and is aloof with strangers when out and about (meaning he would rather you just walk past and won't engage a random person for a pat, although he won't be nasty either)

It has become second nature and we don't always bother removing the muzzle once we get back into northern ireland because it no longer registers that he is wearing anything different.

the ROI doesn't ban any dog breed, it just restricts and fines or confiscates dogs if owners don't follow those.

I do think that perhaps restrictions as opposed to bans might be the way to go in the UK. They really aren't that annoying to follow when you are used to them, they just become second nature. The dogs aren't looked at with a stigma, people still know these breeds are often friendly despite the muzzle, it just places barriers in the way of people who want to own them for the wrong reasons. Unlike licences it is immediately obvious whether or not a dog is on lead and muzzled, any that aren't their owners feel the consequences as soon as the police see them.

We shouldn't blame the dogs, we should blame the people in charge of them, but until all people can be reasonable and start training their dogs properly why not mitigate risks from the few bad ones?

Dogs can still run free in secure gardens and enclosed dog fields - and to be honest unless people have access to those spaces, large athletic breeds are not suited to their lifestyle anyway.

We also need more dog wardens about again to catch and bring under control dogs that wander. The dog warden used to take those dogs to the pound and the owner had to pay a fee and undergo a lecture to get their dog back. There are only so many times people want to pay £100 to free their dog, and if owners just didn't care, those dogs ended up unclaimed and rehomed / in a rescue centre / euthanised

@10speckledfrogs and again, how would that have helped in this case?

MsJD · 29/03/2023 23:27

Murder would mean there was intent.

There could be intent with these people. Maybe not the intent to harm a specific person, but perhaps the intent to harm someone or other.

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 23:28

MsJD · 29/03/2023 23:27

Murder would mean there was intent.

There could be intent with these people. Maybe not the intent to harm a specific person, but perhaps the intent to harm someone or other.

Who are "these people"?

mummymeister · 29/03/2023 23:29

by the time the dog warden has intervened and the police have caught them walking an unmuzzled dog its too late. the dog could have done the damage already. Fees and licences, training and classes all the sort of things that normal reasonable people undertake. but the owners are NOT normal reasonable people. they have dogs as weapons. No, we shouldnt blame the people in charge of the dogs, we should blame ourselves for being so bloody soft all the time and considering the feelings of the owners or the rights of the dog. its an animal its not a person.

SchoolTripDrama · 29/03/2023 23:31

Fathobbit · 29/03/2023 21:34

Muzzles on all dogs in public. That’s what I’d do.

Not necessary for alllll breeds! My Mum's miniature schnauzer can’t even get aggressive with his toys and wants to be friends with cats! If her house was burgled he'd lick the burglar to death!

MsJD · 29/03/2023 23:31

Scummers

MsJD · 29/03/2023 23:33

XenoBitch , scummers

MakingTheVeganYorkshirePud · 29/03/2023 23:34

SchoolTripDrama · 29/03/2023 23:31

Not necessary for alllll breeds! My Mum's miniature schnauzer can’t even get aggressive with his toys and wants to be friends with cats! If her house was burgled he'd lick the burglar to death!

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@SchoolTripDrama so would my staffy cross (although he'd be seen as a demon by many on this thread). Whilst I don't necessarily agree with all dogs muzzled in public, if you are going to sort an issue, you need consistency.

stbrandonsboat · 29/03/2023 23:35

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 23:21

Ah, here we are. All dogs should be banned unless working etc.

Some of the most aggressive dogs I have met have been small breeds... because their owners wont train it out of them. They think small = harmless

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Yes, but you can overpower and boot off a small dog whereas you can't with a large one. Can you overpower a toddler? Can you overpower a six foot three man?

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 23:37

stbrandonsboat · 29/03/2023 23:35

Yes, but you can overpower and boot off a small dog whereas you can't with a large one. Can you overpower a toddler? Can you overpower a six foot three man?

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Small dogs can still do serious damage... and I am sick of small dogs yapping in my own (large breed) dog's face.
It is not about whether you can boot a dog away... control your dog to begin with, and no one would be wanting to yeet it away from them.

Maverickess · 29/03/2023 23:41

The only thing that would worry me about a mandatory muzzling is that my dogs then don't have their best defence against the dogs of owners who won't follow the rules and won't muzzle theirs and thus those dogs that are the main problem now, will continue to be the problem.
If it were made mandatory and policed effectively, it might work for dogs in public that are attacking, but won't solve those attacks where dogs escape and then attack.

I think we need to go to source and clamp right down on breeders, so breeding dogs and selling them is heavily regulated, passing them on and selling them also heavily regulated - so the dog can always be traced, owning also heavily regulated and licensed, and large fines, prison sentences, loss of things that matter to people like this need to happen so having any dog as a status symbol is unfeasible.

I currently have to have a licence to watch BBC TV but not to own a dog. I could go and buy a bull breed tomorrow with no one caring and turn it into a lethal weapon either on purpose or by poor management and there would be no one to stop me until it was too late, but risk a £1000 fine for watching the TV without a licence. It's madness.

Unfortunately we don't even have enough police to enforce laws against humans, never mind control dogs so I do think that any controls that come in will be paying lip service, not cost much and be basically, useless.

I don't like stereotypes because I could be seen as this 'type' of person - single mum, low earner, housing association house - I tick a few of the 'scum' boxes, but unfortunately there is a certain type of person who seeks these dogs for looking hard, protection against rival gangs and the control (ha!) ego boost that having a dog like this can bring. They're not just a problem where dogs are concerned, they're a rising problem right through society and that's what needs sorting.

MarshaBradyo · 29/03/2023 23:41

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 23:37

Small dogs can still do serious damage... and I am sick of small dogs yapping in my own (large breed) dog's face.
It is not about whether you can boot a dog away... control your dog to begin with, and no one would be wanting to yeet it away from them.

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There does seem to be consistency with these attacks on young children in terms of breeds.

They are the ones who need adults to step up in some way to stop this happening over and over.

stbrandonsboat · 29/03/2023 23:41

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 23:37

Small dogs can still do serious damage... and I am sick of small dogs yapping in my own (large breed) dog's face.
It is not about whether you can boot a dog away... control your dog to begin with, and no one would be wanting to yeet it away from them.

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I think you're being deliberately obtuse now. Small dogs can bite, but when was the last time you heard of a person being killed by a cockapoo? Or a Yorkshire terrier or a westie? They can be a nuisance at worst, not a fatal threat.

I'll repeat. Nobody needs a dog. Nobody needs a pet at all. They're pleasant to have around, but is it worth someone's life?

MsJD · 29/03/2023 23:44

I am sick of the "my dog cant even lick his own bollocks brigade". I dont want your dog near me. I dont want your dog to touch my body when I am out jogging. I dont want to be barked at by your dog. Public opinion is turning against dog owners. Less and less of the public owns dogs. We are fed up with dog shit bags in trees. DOG OWNERS, GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR DOGS.

Itsokay2020 · 29/03/2023 23:46

Northernsouloldies · 29/03/2023 21:49

They are the new status dog for the hard of thinking. I don't have the answers but these dogs are more powerful than previous status breeds. We have all seen the fuckers that assume the hard man persona because of the dog they have on the end of a lead. Pathetic beyond belief.

This, 100%

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 23:47

stbrandonsboat · 29/03/2023 23:41

I think you're being deliberately obtuse now. Small dogs can bite, but when was the last time you heard of a person being killed by a cockapoo? Or a Yorkshire terrier or a westie? They can be a nuisance at worst, not a fatal threat.

I'll repeat. Nobody needs a dog. Nobody needs a pet at all. They're pleasant to have around, but is it worth someone's life?

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No, not obtuse. I have walked dogs who have had serious injuries from small breeds. I have been bitten by a Yorkshire Terrier... I booted it away... little yappy bastard.
Thank fuck the owner only had a little dog.. imagine if they had been walking a bigger more powerful one. The problem is the owners, not the dogs. Plenty of people have powerful breeds and encounter no problems at all, because they are responsible. They know how to train and control a dog.. and the size should not matter at all.

Say no one needs a pet all you want. Mine is the reason I am still here. She helps my mental health. She is my companion, my family. If you think that should be taken away or banned then have a fucking Biscuit

Windbeneathmybingowings · 29/03/2023 23:47

I don’t understand this “it’s not the breed” stuff either. A white tiger is different to a lion. Still gonna eat your face. Some animals are not suitable for domestication.

carriedout · 29/03/2023 23:48

XenoBitch · 29/03/2023 21:20

What do you think should happen?

Oh, nothing. Just accept the much higher rate of dog attacks and the consequent injuries and deaths Hmm

Mooonbeams · 29/03/2023 23:49

Dog nutters are brainwashed fools. Who on earth in their right mind wants a filthy shit-eating bollocks-licking fleabag in their home, all that expense, the stench, for what? Idiot adulation. Dogs are for people who need something to worship them. Sad.

Poor kid. She deserves better. No dog is worth what those dogs did to her. Let's be a civilised society and put humans first. And clean up our streets.

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