Dog attack: American Bulleys AGAIN (trigger warning)

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(Frequent name changer, not trying to be controversial)

6 year old mauled to unconsciousness in Manchester by a pack of 5 dogs reportedly American Bully’s. Although they’re still investigating.

How many more times? How long is this going to go on for before someone does something? It seems like absolute insanity. I struggle to make sense of this as in how we can tolerate this as a civilised society. It’s so preventable.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girl-6-mauled-pack-dogs-26570151

Bull breeds include British Bulldogs... Hardly known to be an aggressive breed. If you look at all the fatal dog attacks in the UK from the 80s, I think there is one killing causes by British bulldog - there are more caused by Jack Russell Terriers or German Shepherd also., As well as Rottweilers.

The majority are American XL Bully, Pitbull, Staffs though.

Why the fuck our politicians and police and animal organisations aren't being more vocal about this is beyond me.

They should be banned. Mandatory dog insurance.. muzzles over a certain size.. leads on in public spaces with few exemptions.. significantly higher punishments for backyard breeders and police to enforce bans and assist in proactively removing dogs not legally bred, insured.

Why aren't we pursuing this in legislation and in enforcement?

A muzzle isn’t going to help when many attacks are in the house or like what sounds in this case they ran out of the house. There’s just no need for people to have such powerful dogs

The thing with licences and insurance - it’s not immediately obvious whether a dog has these. Muzzles in public places at all times - I think has a better chance of being adhered to as it’s so obvious when someone has broken the rules. I remember when the smoking ban came in and I genuinely thought people would just ignore it, it came in and the adherence to the new rule was astonishingly high. I reckon the same would happen with muzzles as it’s so obvious to any bystander.

Yes

The dog owners should be charged with whatever their dogs have done. Say, Manslaughter or GBH. That should sort the problem.

Ban anything larger than a spaniel? So ban Labradors? Greyhounds? St Bernard's?
Of course, all known to be aggressive breeds

This. No matter how well trained the instinct to attack and fight is still there.

The dog in this video keeps on attacking even when the cow defends itself. A child or even an adult would have no chance.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-highland-cows-attacked-out-26558554.amp

I saw the little girl who was attacked by their family dog on Tik Tok tonight. Many posts of the dog lying next to a tiny little toddler. Even if she was never left alone with the dog she was still at risk being anywhere near it. The dog was a very powerful looking animal and the results of what happened were utterly dreadful.
Thankfully she is recovering. Big powerful dogs with huge bites shouldn't be anywhere near young children

I would go one further and say dogs shouldn’t be anywhere near young children. I think too often people put human emotions onto dogs - Aww look at them cuddling, he loves his little sister! He’s protecting her! In reality dogs are animals and can’t be reasoned with/don’t have morality like most people do. It’s better if you are hyper vigilant in keeping animals separate from kids.

All Bull breeds were bred to attack bulls. Hence the name. They are fighting dogs with the ability to take down an animal many, many times their size.

Yes, any dog can bite, sure. But there is much less risk of serious injury or death with other breeds.

I've seen a SBT fight in the street. The grown male owners could do nothing to stop them. One dog died. His throat was ripped apart.

My own dog was attacked by a SBT when we walked past the fenced garden where he was. The dog broke the fence down to attack mine. Mine survived (£3500 vet bill and weeks of treatment). The owners of the attacking dog had it PTS the same day, they were so shocked and traumatised.

All Bull breeds are potentially lethal weapons. If it decides to attack YOU CANNOT STOP IT.

Please don't post pics of your lovely "Nanny dog". I'm sure your dog is lovely. Until it isn't. Then it's just all too late.

As in, not just big dogs/certain breeds. All dogs should not be alone with or close to young kids.

These dogs are all banned in some way. There is no registration for dogs here so pit bulls are just called different names these days. Same with American bullies and Cane Corso's rarely will they be the actual breed, they are nearly all pitbull mixes, same shit different name.

@Winter41

How would any of that have helped in this case?

I'm used to treating my dog as a restricted breed (he is a German Shepherd, we live in Northern Ireland on the border with the Republic which we cross into regularly. In the ROI he is required to be on a 6ft or shorter lead, muzzled at all times, and under the control of somebody over the age of 16 at all times)

He is a friendly dog and great with my children, although never unsupervised, but he is a guarding breed and does show that behaviour on our property and is aloof with strangers when out and about (meaning he would rather you just walk past and won't engage a random person for a pat, although he won't be nasty either)

It has become second nature and we don't always bother removing the muzzle once we get back into northern ireland because it no longer registers that he is wearing anything different.

the ROI doesn't ban any dog breed, it just restricts and fines or confiscates dogs if owners don't follow those.

I do think that perhaps restrictions as opposed to bans might be the way to go in the UK. They really aren't that annoying to follow when you are used to them, they just become second nature. The dogs aren't looked at with a stigma, people still know these breeds are often friendly despite the muzzle, it just places barriers in the way of people who want to own them for the wrong reasons. Unlike licences it is immediately obvious whether or not a dog is on lead and muzzled, any that aren't their owners feel the consequences as soon as the police see them.

We shouldn't blame the dogs, we should blame the people in charge of them, but until all people can be reasonable and start training their dogs properly why not mitigate risks from the few bad ones?

Dogs can still run free in secure gardens and enclosed dog fields - and to be honest unless people have access to those spaces, large athletic breeds are not suited to their lifestyle anyway.

We also need more dog wardens about again to catch and bring under control dogs that wander. The dog warden used to take those dogs to the pound and the owner had to pay a fee and undergo a lecture to get their dog back. There are only so many times people want to pay £100 to free their dog, and if owners just didn't care, those dogs ended up unclaimed and rehomed / in a rescue centre / euthanised

I agree. They should be supervised at all times. Thankfully, the videos and photos you see of a dog and small child sharing a tender moment are obviously supervised. You do still see the occasional one of a dog clearly not happy (has whale eye and the body language is screaming 'fuck off').

Proper charges for owners of the dogs who attack. Dog kills someone - murder charge, mains someone - ABH/assault with a deadly weapon. No wishy washy short /suspended sentences.

Massively overkill to muzzle every single dog. There are millions owned successfully and safely across the UK and that's just punishing dogs who are perfectly sweet and have never so much as growled at a person

It doesn't matter. People should be given a choice of small, non typically aggressive breeds and they can keep one as a pet and that's it. Size matters in attacks and it's easier to overpower a small dog than a larger one. Nobody needs a dog unless it's a working breed or an assistance dog and these are all well trained and come from good breeding stock.

we are talking about animals. not people. animals that we domesticate not to work or to have any other purpose in life than to be our pets and companions. its about time we stopped listening to the fecking fur baby brigade and took clear decisive action. dna test the dogs if they have these breeds and we all know which ones they are in their dna then we put them to sleep. now. no ifs no buts, put to sleep. this would overnight wipe out this breed or any of its offspring. and I really dont give a feck how many non violent dogs, lovely family pets etc this effects because if it saves just one person then its worth it in my view. this has just gone on for too long we were talking about these breeds in the 80's and still it goes on. as a society we are happy to breed other animals to kill and eat and in the egg industry happy to kill all the male chicks at a few days old so we need to cut the crap around double standards and just get on and do it.

It’s so awful to see this keep happening

Fine by me. We don't need dangerous dogs in our society.

Maybe the owners should be prosecuted as if they’d committed the assault. So if their dog killed someone, the owner would get charged with murder. It might make them take it a bit more seriously.

There is just too much of this now. These dogs are scary to see, and why should anyone be intimidated as they go about their business? Suppose I walk down the high street with a tiger or a lion on a leash or firing a shot gun in the air. The owners of these dogs must be aware of how the rest of us feel about their "pooch". So, why are they doing this?

Very well said.