To be glad the Guardian have stopped describing the school shooter as a woman?

[Greatly]

They headlined with the shooter being a woman yesterday.

Today of course we learn the shooter is transgender.

They would have known this yesterday.

Squiblet · Today 14:35
Some transactivists online are openly celebrating. Others are upset that more people weren’t killed

oh for fuck’s sake. This is like those fake videos of residents of Islamic countries cheering at the 911 bombing. Created purposefully to drum up islamophobic hatred.

@TheHoover my name's appeared above that quote in your post, but I didn't say it! I was quoting @Boudicasbeard (and questioning it). Just to set the record straight.

I'd argue that there's a difference between understanding by the public (through the press) and understanding by the authorities (through crime psychologists and law enforcement / preventation).

Its like anything to do with extremism - understanding how these communities feed on the concept of disenfranchisement isn't something you can just ignore.

How you handle how it plays out in public is different.

Sorry squiblet

The US media had been saying 'trans shooter' and tran killer from the start - while saying 'she' so I too at first thought it was a transwoman. But of course, there's no way Foxnews would have said 'she' for a transwoman.

Trans killer makes for a better headline I suppose.

#Some transactivists online are openly celebrating. Others are upset that more people weren’t killer.'

really? REALLY? celebrating the murder of children. Okay then - post the links.

No area of extremism should be off limits because it just happens to be aligned with the correct political party.

And yet in this country we have trans rights activists calling for “TERFs” to be beheaded.

How much longer before someone gets seriously hurt - or worse - here?

I can never tell if you’re really this stupid or purposely misunderstanding and misrepresenting what has been written by the person you are arguing with.

You know we can all read what was ACTUALLY written here and not just take your out of context and edited version?

She was a woman though. I expect men who identity as woman to be referred to and recorded as men when it comes to logging criminal activity.

But they aren’t.
Women who have been victims of rape have been forced to refer to their male rapist as “she” in America.

It’s the staggering misogynistic double standards of this batshit ideology that is being debated here.

As a society we do need to know their motivation to understand the context of crimes and to prevent others. This is explicit in the development of programmes in the U.K. to spot radicalisation due to its link with terrorism for example.

A not uncommon feature in multiple murders is the lonely alienated incel misogynist type - Jake Davison in Plymouth for example.

This particular case presents a different perspective that we haven’t seen before that needs to be analysed and understood. Is there something about trans ideology that is too aggressive that needs addressing, or is this more down to the personal pathology of the individual.

I agree.

We need to look at trans culture as much as we need to look at extreme misogynist culture such as Andrew Tate.

Guess all the posters ranting about #notourcrime will be posting #yesourcrime now then? No? Just finding a new way to make the focus on trans people? What a surprise.

I don’t dispute that it’s a woman’s crime if a biological woman committed it and I have no problem with it being recorded as such. Why would we? We’re campaigning for biological sex to be the defining characteristic.

What I have an issue with is crimes being labelled as a woman’s crime when they were committed by a biological man.

The point clearly flew over your head.

If crimes committed by transwomen, aka males, are to be recorded as crimes committed by women and added to the data of crimes committed by women and the perpetrator to be described as and referred to as a woman and she/her pronouns used in all reporting then the same must happen in reverse - therefore as the perpetrator of this crime identifies as a man, uses male pronouns then this is a crime that should be recorded as a crime committed by a man and the perpetrator should be referred to as a man and he/him pronouns used in all reporting.

If gender is all that counts and biological sex is irrelevant and everyone is who they say they are as we are told repeatedly then it has to be across the board and be consistent. You have a problem with that?

Oh no, I totally agree with you! it’s horrific and disgusting what’s going on. It’s horrifying to me that men are being recorded as women and artificially skewing the crime statistics and yes? It’s utterly horrific what victims of rape have been subjected to, forced by courts to play along with someone else’s delusion and fantasy at the absolute worst time in their life.

She wasn’t transgender, she used male pronouns on social media. Slag men off all you like, this shooter was female.

If they used male pronouns then that made him male, no? I thought that was the rules...

Incels weren't a risk until they were, and there started to be incel shootings which spawned more.

Then the women who had been staying there was a problem online started to be taken seriously and we now are seeing incel groups online as extremists.

That had implications for terrorist monitoring.

I did know it was a biological woman first thing this morning, but I understand your confusion op. It's madness that we can't be sure these days what calling someone a man or woman actually means.

I have no problem with the crime being reported as a female if thats the case.

I do think that if the motivation is extremism then that should be reported too.

If we have a women who is under the influence of drugs that should be reported too.

I have no issue with the reporting of facts as they are.

All these things may or may link to trans activism. I think we should find out though.

'Sunlight' I believe is the word.

I find it distasteful to use the death of children to make political points (that are nothing to do with the death of the children)

The shooter was a woman. We will find out in the days , weeks and months to come whether she had other mental health problems which were ignored in favour of affirmation by health professionals. We will also find out if she was on testosterone and whether that, of itself, made her aggressive or whether it exacerbated mental health problems that were ignored.
And we will also find out how she got access to those weapons- "lawfully" or not. And if it was "lawfully" what that means for gun sales in that state.
But she was a woman. Just like Adam Graham/Isla Bryson is a man.
It's not being political to be accurate

And yes, this was absolutely a woman's crime. It should be counted and recorded as such. Like Myra Hindley and Rose West.

I saw a few tweets last night.