To be glad the Guardian have stopped describing the school shooter as a woman?

[Greatly]

They headlined with the shooter being a woman yesterday.

Today of course we learn the shooter is transgender.

They would have known this yesterday.

Ok, here’s a thought…given male pattern violence stems from testosterone (ok then culture adds to differences), do we know if this transgender male was taking testosterone? It is so very rare that women kill and even rarer for them to take multiple random lives .

Shocking isn't it.

Six people where murdered in cold blood, three of them children.

But all the "med'ja" attention will be on the killers right to have their choice of pronouns used.

Where is this Trans Vengeance call to arms - is this a real thing or one of those joke mistruths spread from disrupting corners of the internet just to see how far the lie can travel?

It seems so.

Here is a link for doubters. It encourages attendees to admire the use of molatov cocktails at the original Stonewall riots. And asks that people organise events in their hometowns. Looks like someone took that seriously.

https://www.struggle-la-lucha.org/2023/02/09/washington-d-c-trans-day-of-vengeance-march-31-april-1/

This is 100% - shows the whole thing to be an absolute pile of misogyny

Exactly....why let facts get in the way of outrage

https://www.struggle-la-lucha.org/2023/03/16/trans-day-of-vengeance-fight-back-against-far-right-attacks/

I missed this totally, yes. If that’s the case, it’s chilling to think that this woman has acted on that and changes the whole scenario to an act of terrorism.

I agree with you on all those points. I included a reference to the gun control laws really for completeness, but yes, we know how pointless it is and that there's no real appetite for any change in the US.

The rest of my post was making the point that accuracy and consistency in language is important. According to some sources, the shooter had been living as a male called Aidan and presented physically as a male so the reporting of them as female is not consistent with how trans women criminals have been reported - and that's extremely relevant for crime statistics and data.

I read someone questioning whether the shooter was taking testosterone - we don't know how far they'd transitioned. If they were taking T, again that could be relevant because as we know from bodybuilders, supplementing with testosterone can cause serious aggression.

It's all relevant. For many different reasons.

First I haven’t tried to “instill” anything. Secondly I didn’t suggest sympathy or empathy towards the killer, merely analysis.

There’s no such thing as the right time: the time is when these events occur.

I don’t agree that anyone has to accept the status quo on guns in the US. Every latest shooting increases the importance of challenging the might gun lobby.

The largely right wing American and UK media feel it is important to perpetuate the belief that female violence can be just as brutal as male violence. That way they do not have to report the reality that we are living in a patriarchal hellscape.

When a perpetrator of violence is trans, their pronouns are either respected (for transwomen) or disregarded (for transmen.) Bob's your uncle, more and more women are seen in the public eye as being criminals regardless of either their gender expression or their biological sex. There are no winners here, not trans people nor gender critics.

It is fundamentally transphobic to state that the shooter is female if you're also going to say in the same breath that they're trans. If their gender expression isn't important, neither is their trans status. It's at best a clarifying paragraph later in the article, not part of the headline.

I expect this absolute rubbish from right-wing-and-proud tabloid rags, but when coverage is meant to be impartial, it's absolutely infuriating to see blatant, harmful misinformation which is then recycled on here by people who hate transwomen and saw this as an easy win.

Precisely.

And the crimes committed recorded as perpetrated by the biological sex the person is.

Mangling language, definitions and pronouns is why there is confusion surrounding the perpetrator of this crime and their motive.

Keep it simple, straightforward and factual, report the truth, record the truth.

She was a woman who identified as a mass murderer.

I do not see what she felt about her gender has any relevance to anything or why it should be reported.

UK public servants aren't having special days for all protected groups only certain ones, who get special treatment, despite the equality act stating such behaviour causes bad feelings between protected characteristics and shouldn't happen.

Look at the crime stats. The public servants keep bending the knee to woke ideologies that harm other groups, it is a form of worship as it makes others sacrifices to this idol they worship.

This is an excellent thread on this religion that's taken over.

mobile.twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1640413801609609225

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It is not transphobic to point out that there is an inconsistency in the way transmen and transwomen are treated by the news media.

And it is also not transphobic to point out that parts of the trans community have been calling openly for this kind of violence.

Some transactivists online are openly celebrating. Others are upset that more people weren’t killed.

Is this something you support?

If reports are true that there was some sort of extremist manifesto, then that begs for examining online radicalisation.

I don't think there's any doubt that there is online radicalisation associated with trans activism going on.

Where the problem lies is whether there are certain political parties who don't wish for this to come under scrutiny. That's not ok. No area of extremism should be off limits because it just happens to be aligned with the correct political party.

And that's where I think there's real danger.

In the UK we are starting to break through that and say yes be sympathetic but no there's are limits to unchecked actions / lack of accountability / basic levels of safeguarding we'd expect as a norm in any other setting.

I think my worry is, some of the push to suppress any extreme activism if it exists here, will be about political protectionism.

I don't think it's political point scoring to want transparency on what's motivated this event. You can't prevent similar issues without having some of those perhaps difficult and sensitive conversations. And yes, now is the time to be doing it because otherwise it will be easier to just bury under the carpet until next time.

These events almost always follow a pattern. And they almost always have a series of red flags leading up to them. The individuals also fall through the cracks in society which has ultimately failed to look after them and instead has alienated them in someway.

To the Americans posting here

The real question however, is how the fuck did a young person get hold of guns, what are the USA going to do about it?
as usual, nothing, zilch
the statistics of mass gun perpetrated deaths form USA compared with other countries is appalling, yet USA voters seem to wilfully ignore the obvious for their stupid constitution that was never written to let school kids and general public wander into schools with automatic weapons.
its about money . It’s about machoism. It’s about weird conspiracy theory survivalist that seem to populate USA in greater numbers than elsewhere.
https://yubanet.com/usa/over-70-of-mass-shootings-in-developed-countries-happen-in-the-us-international-analysis-shows/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081
All those victims and families sent down a rabbit hole for years trying to deal with this and a country full of idiots in power who won’t let anything good come out of it. The population weeping and praying, or saying don’t use this incident to debate the shooters motives, instead of taking action. Another shooters family having to live with consequence of their troubled relative having easy access to guns who has taken this as a “way out” of their troubles and is easily enabled to do so.

I'm sure saying someone 'identifies as trans' would constitute a hate crime.

They dont identify as trans, they are trans.

Try saying it to anyone who says they are trans.

It is too soon. There is a time for debating the wider implications but a few hours after 3 children and 3 adults were murdered isn't the time.

fuck me. People died. None of this even matters.

According to some views using male pronouns and/or saying you are a different sex to the one you were born IS transitioning.

And we have this 'look what you made me do, now do what we want or we'll do it some more' statement from the Trans Resistance Network. It's very, very, very important that we learn why Hale did what she did and if it is for the reasons that seem possible. This type of rhetoric stops being tolerated immediately.

r/Transguns, a sub reddit about trans people collecting guns for the coming fight back, was made private today, to hide what they talk about there from ordinary people that might be exposed to it. This isn't something that we can reasonably allow to be swept under the rug.

The 89th school shooting in the US - THIS YEAR.

I don't doubt it probably would and in real life I'd be quite careful about who I'd use accurate language around.