To be glad the Guardian have stopped describing the school shooter as a woman?

[Greatly]

They headlined with the shooter being a woman yesterday.

Today of course we learn the shooter is transgender.

They would have known this yesterday.

I've seen this mentioned a couple of times now - do you have a link to the manifesto/Trans Vengeance inclusion details please? I've not seen anything saying this in any actual news sources , just random online claims.

@ItsMeAgainYesHowDidYouGuess2, yes, RTFT

Have a look at Twitter. There were quite a few tweets within a short time of the story breaking.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/nashville-school-shooter-audrey-hale-identified-as-transgender-and-had-detailed-manifesto-to-attack-christian-academy/

Gives quite a lot of information. The school was affiliated to the Presbyterian Church of America, members of which have been outspoken on trans issues.

Thanks - there's nothing in that mentioning the Trans Vengeance stuff though.

"The school was affiliated to the Presbyterian Church of America, members of which have been outspoken on trans issues."

Victim blaming is never a good look, mate

Female school shooters are incredibly rare, but have become more common. I believe all 3 female shooters in the past 5 years were identifying as male. There is most likely a link between either the content they are viewing online (within the trans community) or the effects of T on their brains.

It was a direct quote. Don’t call me stupid because you’re lacking in basic reading comprehension. You’re a nasty piece of something I don’t want to say because I don’t fancy getting banned.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/03/28/trans-activists-called-for-day-of-vengeance-before-shooting-of-christian-school-n1682076

"Currently, there is no known connection between the shooter and the group. On Monday, Nashville Chief of Police John Drake was asked whether Hale identifying as transgender played a role in her targeting the school, and he would not confirm this but indicated that it was a working theory and said it would be discussed at a later date."

From this morning (and what looks to be a GC source).

Victim blaming ? How ? By simply pointing out that the motive may have been revenge ?

It's quite normal after these events to delve into the background of the perpetrator. Some of them are incels, some are religious extremists, some are far-right extremists. This one apparently wrote a "manifesto" and may well have been a politically-motivated terrorist. We shall see. In many cases they have been stirred up by online "communities" and we need to look into what sort of people are vulnerable to this and see how they can be intercepted.

Thanks for your informed response, it's good to read a response that explains rather than attacks. So I appreciate that.

I think for me, at this stage. The spotlight (? may not be the right word) should be on the victims and their families rather than on the killer.

I appreciate what everyone is saying re a man being a trans-woman would be referred to as such etc.

Guess all the posters ranting about #notourcrime will be posting #yesourcrime now then? No? Just finding a new way to make the focus on trans people? What a surprise.

it's only 10 pages at this stage, you could have read the thread and not bothered posting such foetid dingo's kidneys.

If you don't understand what is being said, just ask.

Here is a Twitter thread collecting response to the shooting on Twitter- for those who don’t believe that some are sympathetic/ celebrating.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1640483270428094466

To be clear: I think this is a terrible tragedy. No one deserves to die like this. The US need to look at its gun laws. But the trans community also needs to look at the violence that is being encouraged and excused constantly in their name.

There is no getting away from the fact that trans activism attracts people who like an excuse to engage in violent discourse. It is infuriating that people excuse it over and over again. Google Dana Rivers, Tanis Jacob Wolf, Jonathan Yanis. This isn’t a blip. It is an inbuilt feature of the culture.

Also see evidence for violent fantasy prevalent in trans online communities on this website:

https://terfisaslur.com/

This is what radicalisation looks like.

I don't get why that's victim blaming to point out that there is a growing divide in America between republican agenda and the democrat agenda.

The republican side is not onboard with the trans ideology but is driven by the Christian right in the main (to a point) whereas the atheist Democrat electorate are wildly pro trans activism to the point of concern and harm to women's rights.

It's just part of the battle lines largely drawn up by the Trump era.

There's been talk for sometime and the us being almost at the brink of civil war over this division.

It's not really a surprise to see extremism on either side acting this out - and it looks like a possible explanation for motive here.

Audrey Hale identifies as a murderer

Audrey Hale took loaded firearms into a primary school and shot and killed 3 adults and 3 children as well as firing at emergency responders

The grieving families and community of Nashville deserve better than others arguing about gender and pronouns , some of the comments I’ve read on this thread beggar belief !

'Audrey Hale identifies as a murderer'

Isn't this just the same as saying 'XYZ (mtf trans person) identifies as a rapist, they aren't REALLY trans because trans people committing crimes never happens'

Anyway, no one seems to actually know for sure if this person was born male or female which just shows how unhelpful the obfuscation of language around sex/gender is.

Hale was a female who identified as a man. This is important so that it the crime is recorded correctly.

It’s just violence against women in a new guise.

It is, but I think the rise of crime in young trans identifying people needs to be discussed and action needs to be taken to reduce harm. Harm to the victims yes but also to the trans people who end up committing these crimes. Their mental health is being neglected in favour of indulging delusions in the name of inclusivity. A community has developed online that encourages secrecy, isolation and self medication in young people with trans ideation, and encourages violence and hatred towards 'cisgender' people. These kids are being filled with hormones and drugs, wound up online and sent out to carry out these acts. It can't be ignored.

If the most recent Speakers' Corner debacle is any indication, not very long at all. (Several posts in the thread)

https://twitter.com/Aja02537920/status/1639961562969526273

The women were surrounded n all sides except one, where they were backed up against a fence. Police did next to nothing, but one Speakers' Corner regular spoke out.

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Yeah, I agree, but we aren't the authorities. This thread isn't happening between psychologists or FBI agents or other professionals. It's the public giving this shooter a load of attention and trying to get hold of the manifesto the shooter wanted to be seen, and without even an editorial code to limit the lurid speculation. This thread is the exact kind of publicity that feeds shootings.