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To be glad the Guardian have stopped describing the school shooter as a woman?

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Greatly · 28/03/2023 10:48

They headlined with the shooter being a woman yesterday.

Today of course we learn the shooter is transgender.

They would have known this yesterday.

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Passerillage · 28/03/2023 10:49

The shooter was a woman. She had previously, temporarily, identified as male.

Greatly · 28/03/2023 10:50

Passerillage · 28/03/2023 10:49

The shooter was a woman. She had previously, temporarily, identified as male.

Well that shows what I know.

Thank you for correcting me.

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Coffeellama · 28/03/2023 10:54

BBC news says that she was a woman who used male pronouns on social media.

FourTeaFallOut · 28/03/2023 10:55

What you need to know is that, in the media, when a man declares himself to be a woman - then he is a woman. And when women declare herself to be a man - they are still a woman. This is abjection. Men get to have a sex class that excludes men who won't acquiesce to gender norms and also excludes the women who come knocking on their door.

Thus, whenever a transgender person commits a crime - regardless of their sex - it is always a woman's crime.

Coffeellama · 28/03/2023 11:00

FourTeaFallOut · 28/03/2023 10:55

What you need to know is that, in the media, when a man declares himself to be a woman - then he is a woman. And when women declare herself to be a man - they are still a woman. This is abjection. Men get to have a sex class that excludes men who won't acquiesce to gender norms and also excludes the women who come knocking on their door.

Thus, whenever a transgender person commits a crime - regardless of their sex - it is always a woman's crime.

She wasn’t transgender, she used male pronouns on social media. Slag men off all you like, this shooter was female.

Beamur · 28/03/2023 11:00

There seems to be a lot of inconsistent reporting on this. But it seems fairly consistent that the person used a male name and pronouns at least some of the time and to some people.
They were born female.
They were also a former pupil of the school.
This is all significant in terms of accurate reporting and potential motive.
There does seem to be a degree of bias in terms of the reporting which is an interesting reflection of how transpeople (especially when born female) are viewed..

Beamur · 28/03/2023 11:02

She wasn’t transgender, she used male pronouns on social media. Slag men off all you like, this shooter was female

I'm pretty sure using pronouns that are incongruent to your sex puts you under the trans umbrella.

GoBackToTheLibraryWhereYouBelong · 28/03/2023 11:02

FourTeaFallOut · 28/03/2023 10:55

What you need to know is that, in the media, when a man declares himself to be a woman - then he is a woman. And when women declare herself to be a man - they are still a woman. This is abjection. Men get to have a sex class that excludes men who won't acquiesce to gender norms and also excludes the women who come knocking on their door.

Thus, whenever a transgender person commits a crime - regardless of their sex - it is always a woman's crime.

I think you're right 😞

Coffeellama · 28/03/2023 11:04

Sky news say she ‘identified as transgender’ which is over confusing. She had not gone through the process of becoming transgender legally or biologically by the looks of it, but she identified as male on social media. Why not just put ‘identified as male’? Asides from the gender row though. This shooter was female, targeting an all female school that she had attended.

PuttingDownRoots · 28/03/2023 11:04

It appears the shooter was biologically female.

It also appears that they referred to themselves as male... and the precedent is that preferred pronouns and names should be used.

Or we could concentrate more on the tragedy that three 9yos didn't go home last night, plus three staff members.

RenegadeMistress · 28/03/2023 11:08

When women who think they are men commit crimes, they are reported as women. When men who think they are women commit crimes, they are reported as women. It really is a men's rights movement. They want people to think women are as statistically likely to commit violent crime as men are. Why is that.

ChocSaltyBalls · 28/03/2023 11:09

She was a female who ID as male

Annaissleeping · 28/03/2023 11:09

All the confusion this creates, it only increases fear. We suddenly can no longer fully trust what we're told by the authorities and the press. I'm sure people who support queer theory are delighted but in terms of safeguarding and society functioning well, it's a nightmare.

Even with this crime committed by a woman, the trans issue is potentially still relevant. Women largely don't commit crimes like this. There are rare exceptions but they are very rare. It is at least possible that this woman using testosterone increased her aggression. If she'd never transitioned, she may never have gone this far.

Coffeellama · 28/03/2023 11:09

RenegadeMistress · 28/03/2023 11:08

When women who think they are men commit crimes, they are reported as women. When men who think they are women commit crimes, they are reported as women. It really is a men's rights movement. They want people to think women are as statistically likely to commit violent crime as men are. Why is that.

But the OPs title and post is about being happy the guardian stopping referring to the shooter as a woman… so it seems they aren’t reporting her as a woman.

Coffeellama · 28/03/2023 11:10

Annaissleeping · 28/03/2023 11:09

All the confusion this creates, it only increases fear. We suddenly can no longer fully trust what we're told by the authorities and the press. I'm sure people who support queer theory are delighted but in terms of safeguarding and society functioning well, it's a nightmare.

Even with this crime committed by a woman, the trans issue is potentially still relevant. Women largely don't commit crimes like this. There are rare exceptions but they are very rare. It is at least possible that this woman using testosterone increased her aggression. If she'd never transitioned, she may never have gone this far.

News reports suggest she hadn’t transitioned.

Beamur · 28/03/2023 11:11

We certainly shouldn't minimise the human loss here and the continued failure of the US Government to get a handle on gun crime.
But the sex/gender and reporting patterns here are pertinent and should be noted and comments allowed. This is an important cultural issue and may be a part of the motives and behaviour of the killer.
We can't ignore that because it feels like poor taste to comment on it.
Worth noting also that the legal framework and protections for transpeople is very different in the US.

KimberleyClark · 28/03/2023 11:12

PuttingDownRoots · 28/03/2023 11:04

It appears the shooter was biologically female.

It also appears that they referred to themselves as male... and the precedent is that preferred pronouns and names should be used.

Or we could concentrate more on the tragedy that three 9yos didn't go home last night, plus three staff members.

Exactly this. A human shot 6 other humans 3 of them children. That is all that really matters.

PSNonsense · 28/03/2023 11:21

Or we could concentrate more on the tragedy that three 9yos didn't go home last night, plus three staff members.

OR, accept that people can care about the abhorrent killing of innocent children/staff members AND be bothered by the emerging double standards that male offenders are referred to as she/her if they identify as a 'woman' by using pronouns, wearing a wig, pink leggings or merely just saying so, yet a woman using male pronouns is still regarded to be a woman.

It's not difficult to do both, at the same time.

Brefugee · 28/03/2023 11:22

The shooter was a woman. She had previously, temporarily, identified as male.

but if it was a trans woman rather than a trans man she would be identified as a woman not a man. You can't have these things both ways. I wait with bated breath for the next trans woman rapist to be referred to as a man...

Starburst8 · 28/03/2023 11:24

Not wanting to be ignorant but what does it matter? The shooter went into a school, shot and killed innocent people. I've seen a lot of discussion regarding the shooter's pronouns etc as if it's disrespectful to the shooter for getting it wrong. I think our concern should be with the victims families.
Also as a side note, an article with the shooter's mother was released where she is quoted as saying "I think I've lost my daughter".

Brefugee · 28/03/2023 11:26

Exactly this. A human shot 6 other humans 3 of them children. That is all that really matters.

it is the 89th such event in a US school. So i will continue to treat these tragic events in the same way they are treated in the US: it's just something that happens.

and i will focus on the reporting because that is really important at a time when women raped by trans women have to refer to their rapist's female penis, and the rapist as "she".

TeaserandtheFirecat · 28/03/2023 11:26

RenegadeMistress · 28/03/2023 11:08

When women who think they are men commit crimes, they are reported as women. When men who think they are women commit crimes, they are reported as women. It really is a men's rights movement. They want people to think women are as statistically likely to commit violent crime as men are. Why is that.

Could it possily be MRA want natal women and girls to lose their protected status? Surely not.......

morekidsthanhands · 28/03/2023 11:27

This post has backfired quite spectacularly on you hasn't it

TheHoover · 28/03/2023 11:29

More swooping in on trans criminality by people desperate to add currency to their arguments

Brefugee · 28/03/2023 11:30

More swooping in on trans criminality by people desperate to add currency to their arguments

the swooping is regarding inconsistent reporting

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