To be glad the Guardian have stopped describing the school shooter as a woman?

[Greatly]

They headlined with the shooter being a woman yesterday.

Today of course we learn the shooter is transgender.

They would have known this yesterday.

so tell me @LadyWindermeresOnlyFans what is this thread about

since we're discussing media reporting of the gender/sex of people who hit the news. What do you think we're discussing.

I have outlined several times here that the crime itself is devastating but since the US are completely unwilling to attack the source of the problem, i'll continue to look at some details more than others.

Yes consistency please, Guardian etc.

Otherwise it looks an awful lot like:

Transwomen victims are trans

Transwomen sex offenders and murderers are women

Transmen murderers are ....also women

All of which supports the agenda driven narrative that:

Transwomen are the most vulnerable in society

Women rape and murder too (look at the increased stats!) therefore single sex spaces are pointless

So she was transgender on social media but female in real life?

😂😁

She identified as transgender. The police, who have read her manifesto, confirmed this. Stop trying to disavow trans people who commit heinous crimes, quite possibly in the name of 'trans vengeance,' because it doesn't fit your chosen narrative. I don't know if we will ever get to know what was in her manifesto. I'm pretty sure that people working for The Daily Wire, headquartered in Nashville, will be using every local connection they have to get a hold of it. So we might. But there is certainly an implication floating about that this shooting is connected to her trans identity and the recent passing of House Bill 1 in Tennessee which is being dubbed a 'trans genocide' online.

Does it matter that it hadn't transitioned? I thought as soon as someone declares themselves to be the opposite sex that's what they are?

/s

I don't know what it will take for the US to agree to reform their gun control laws. And when I saw reform, I mean radically reform. How many more children are going to have to die before someone says enough?! Utterly tragic

well, they won't so it's just a fact of life in the same way that plane crashes or car accidents are a fact of life (but more frequent than the former, mass shootings fewer than the latter but individual shootings? who knows)

It is interesting that in the UK after Dunblane there was decisive action, after Sandy Hook? we know what happened after that. The most tragic thing about all these mass shootings is that we know each time that it won't be the last.

It is perfectly legitimate to look into press reporting of events. I see pp thought it would be a good idea to not report on the shooter at all. I find that interesting (pretty much like the conventions now on reporting on suicide).

The shooter being trans or not (aside of the manifesto which i hadn't read about) is also neither here nor there, in the grand scheme of things apart from 2 points. One is that this is so rarely a crime committed by a biological woman that the sex of the shooter is hugely relevant. The fact that the shooter claims a trans identity is also hugely relevant. And clear and consistent reporting is definitely required here.

I disagree with the OP - the shooter was biological a woman, just as the biological men in women's prisons should be described as men.

Using male pronouns on social media makes her transgender, that's all you need to do, don't be transphobic now 🤷

It’s quite amusing watching all the usual “if you’re born as a woman/man, then you’re a woman/man” try to argue that this time doesn’t count and she was actually a man. Make up your mind!

Yes, you say your pronouns three times in the mirror and then the Guardian has an editorial policy to report your gender identity accurately. <Unless you are a woman>

Men’s rights campaigners say men are called women cos they want to be, women are called women cos they’re bad.

They're not though are they, the'men' are never misgendered, only women (the traditional kind) get misgendered once they've committed a crime!

Whataboutery

This. There are several threads covering this subject and all are concentrating more on the gender of the perpetrator and confused reporting of same, than the tragedy itself. I agree the press and media should clean up their act and get it right when they do report on it but personally I think anyone who has committed a serious crime such as this has given up the right to any kind of respect towards their chosen pronouns, or anything else for that matter.

Maybe then it would be more helpful if people were just referred to as their biological sex regardless of how they "identify". Then there would be no confusion.

Exactly

Sounds good to me.

I have outlined several times here that the crime itself is devastating but since the US are completely unwilling to attack the source of the problem, i'll continue to look at some details more than others

Regards this, there's fuck all point in UK women wringing their hands over American gun crime. America does not care what we think of it's insane gun laws, health care policies and approach to religion. America cannot understand British Left Wing politics or feminism, let alone see itself the way other countries do.

I feel sad for US the same way I feel sad for other countries whose citizens suffer unnecesarily. The difference is that US has a global influence that many of these other countries don't have. As a citizen of a country which - just about - remembers what Left Wing politics actually are, what feminism is and universal health care, I have an interest in untangling the pervasive influence of the US on UK culture.

Confusing isn’t it ? Just when you thought it couldn’t get any more so !!

One has to ask how testosterone affects the female brain, did it make the killer more unstable & violent?

What are you implying? That she was biologically female or that she only identified as male online but not in real life? Because there are photos of her clearly presenting herself as male in real life - ie male clothing and short hair.

Nobody at all is arguing that. So I'm not sure what you are laughing at. Maybe your won ability to understand what people are saying in your rush to own the terfs or something. People are arguing for consistency. When transwomen (ie men) commit crimes, they are reported as women's crimes. This transman (ie woman) is being reported as a woman/female. It's accurate with regard to her but not accurate with regard to transwomen (men). We want consistency.

Mostly we want accurate reporting, if a transwoman commits a crime, I want to know that a man identifying as a woman has committed the crime. Especially if their chosen identity is relevant due to their motivation or access to victims. In this case a woman identifying as a man committed the crime and it appears that her trans identification could have been a motivating factor in her murder to 6 people, including 3 nine year olds. (And it's pretty sick that you are laughing at anything involving that, tbh.)

On the news this morning they were saying that the shooting stats vary between states, the said New York and New Jersey have low rates as they have stricter gun control. I have no idea if that is true but if it is then shame on the states that won't follow their example.

Our concern absolutely should be with the victims and their families. But that doesn’t mean that accurate reporting by the msm is therefore not important, does it?