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Child has dropped out of grammar school and I'm panicking

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ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:21

DD 18 stopped going to school at the beginning of this year, she's meant to be writing A levels. She got good GCSEs moved to a grammar school during the pandemic. No bullying as far as we are aware. She is very outgoing and sociable and is still bubbly on the phone to her friends.

School have been round to the house. All sorts of meetings. She just says, 'I'll try to do better' then goes right back to what it was before.

She takes antidepressants but won't see a therapist. She says 'there aren't any'. We have Bupa. I called and they said since she's over 18 she has to do it herself but she won't.

She refuses to do chores. Her room is disgusting. You have to climb over piles of clothes. I go in there to get plates once they have run out in the house. She has a bathroom to herself and it's a state too. Never cleaned and I'm not doing it. (School didn't see her room, only downstairs which is normal)

She stays in bed all day, is up all night on the phone. She goes out on weekends with her friends and comes back on Monday.

We've stopped pocket money, stopped driving lessons. She doesn't care.

I've explained all her friends will finish school and be doing things and she'll get left behind. If she decides A levels are not for her then she needs to get a job or an apprenticeship. Since she was in primary school we've gone to like 50 different 'career talk' things. (Not arranged by school, just things I've found, like a charity called Stemettes) Scientists, astronauts, artists. All sorts. To get an idea of what sort of thing she might enjoy when she finishes school.

Today I said if she just goes to school from today to the end of the year I'll pay for her to travel regardless of grades. Just to go to school. She's still in bed. Offer off the table.

She said what she wants is for us to rent her a studio apartment and then she'll go to school. I said 1. We can't afford that, 2. That's why people go to school, get qualifications so they can do that for themselves.

It's just three of us here and her step father and I have rows. I said if she wants to go and live with a school friend for a few months we will pay for her expenses there for the 3 months until school ends. She says she wants her own flat.

I'm at my wit's end. My mum came over to speak to her from another city a few months ago. No change.

Her biological dad is a deadbeat who moved back abroad when she was in nursery. He has paid nothing and has little contact with her and has a new family, including a stepdaughter her age and two new babies. I imagine that's upsetting to her as he's on social media playing happy families.

I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 20:24

notthisagainforest · 27/03/2023 20:15

She wants you to pay for a flat ? Seriously she must be incredibly spoilt to even think that this is a possibility. Has she ever even had a job ? She's 18 you need to stop paying for anything. She needs to take responsibility for herself. If she won't go to school she needs to get a job. Time for tough love and it's the only thing that will work

Yes, she had a Saturday job for two years before the pandemic, in a shop. She stopped during the pandemic and never went back.

I literally laughed when she said 'get me a flat', and I said that's not how the world works.

OP posts:
ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 20:28

@PrinceHaz

Bloody hell. That sounds like both me and her.

OP posts:
GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/03/2023 20:33

I think she's panicking because the real world is on the horizon and it's scary.

No shit. It is scary. But the rest of us have done it.

She's scared because she will have to take some responsibility for herself.

Stop babying her! If she fails, she fails. Then you help her pick herself up. You don't just bankroll her until she marries some bloke...

gkhg · 27/03/2023 20:34

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/03/2023 09:32

Wow, She really has you wrapped around her fingers.

She's 18. She's not at college... time to get a JOB and start contributing.

Ask her to move out. No, give her a timescale to move out.

Don't do this OP. You're her one and only unconditional love through tbick and thin, mistakes and all. She needs support, not kicking out.

Fretfulagain · 27/03/2023 20:44

FancyFran · 27/03/2023 19:58

Op I have a 20 Yr DD. Her year 13 was ruined by covid. She didn't take her final exams. I believe my DD is Neuro Diverse.
She is very sociable and has lots of friends. However she is super tidy so I don't have the mess pit problem. At the end of yr13 she was beside herself. Self harming, staying in bed all day, depressed etc. I thought I would lose her. Not allowing her to sit her exams had a massive impact on her. The school did it to protect their results!
However she is now in her first year at uni and top of her class.
How did we do it?
I gave her a year off, it was called a year of kindness. I asked that she did the cleaning, a bit of shopping, walked the dog and I paid her a small allowance. She was to be kind to us and to herself. She is medicated for anxiety and she had a few counselling sessions. I stopped telling her what she was going to do work wise and I talked to her. I also gave up drinking which had been my support tool for me. It wasn't helping her as I was unavailable. It took me a year to see her recover. I worked but a lot from home. Sometimes she helped me with paid tasks.
I doubt very much your daughter is a sex worker. I suspect if she is out all weekend she is avoiding your husband. If you don't like him the chances are she doesn't. Start looking to leave. An unhappy relationship is not setting a good example. You work and have equity in the house. Look at your options.
Your daughter can do a foundation degree and that takes the place of three A levels. It might be difficult to walk through the door of either school. She will have lost face. I would also clean her room and get the crocks and washing out. Tell her she will get mice!
When my daughter use to screem at me I use to sing 'the sun will come out tomorrow' from Annie off key. She couldn't help laugh (after telling me to f off).
Good luck x

This!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 27/03/2023 22:08

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 16:48

@IaIamdobby63

A pp said she might be doing onlyfans, even with a messy room by angling the cameras away from mess. The only place without mess would be the ceiling.

This made me laugh. There are all sorts of people with weird fetishes. Maybe she's tapped into the mess fetish market.

I jest.

I'm autistic and I'm messy as hell. What you've typed so far isn't screaming neurodivergence to me but then there isn't a set pattern that we all conform to. She sounds unhappy and for both your sakes this can't go on.

mybeautifuloak · 28/03/2023 11:00

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/03/2023 09:32

Wow, She really has you wrapped around her fingers.

She's 18. She's not at college... time to get a JOB and start contributing.

Ask her to move out. No, give her a timescale to move out.

Good god you are clueless

Seeline · 28/03/2023 11:41

OP - how long has she been on antidepressants?
Is she still taking them or does she need a new prescription?
When did she last have a review of her meds, maybe the dose needs changing?

Denisthemenis · 28/03/2023 18:19

I really empathise. We are tearing our hair out with our son and its affecting my mental health badly . 18 tomorrow but not in much of a mood to celebrate his birthday at the moment . He got good GCSEs, was studious, with hobbies and chose himselfto do A levels at the same school. Suffered from anxiety ( also has poor health at times generally so the issue is confusing.) Had to repeat year but dropped out in December. I really think his issues starred with covid lockdowns. Too much time in room, lack of social activity became addicted to gaming . Poor sleep patterns . Dropped out of school in December and having CBT which is not helping really. Trying to encourage him to get part time job or do volunteering but so far getting nowhere. So exasperated with him ...the laziest person I know. No motivation at all.stays in his room. He wants to restart different A levels at college in September but not convinced that will work out either. Can see all his friends planning to go off to uni and get jobs and I am terrified for his future .

celticprincess · 28/03/2023 18:30

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:42

She's bubbly and outgoing though, a social butterfly. Does that fit into ADD or autism?

Look up autism in a girls and masking. See if anything fits. My autistic teen is very bubbly and comes across really sociable. Not saying she is but it might be worth looking into the various ND traits.

Hopefulsunrise · 28/03/2023 18:31

Id clean her room and put some fresh flowers in there and buy her new bedding. Maybe even move the room around and start again. Id also reinstate the driving lessons and find something of interest that will engage you both outside of the home. She is clearly struggling a lot.

ittakes2 · 28/03/2023 18:37

we have bupa you can find a therapist for her and ask for bupa approval if you have gp referral. We have an online gp service through bupa called Babylon. If you have that ask her if she’ll do the phone call to get a referral.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/03/2023 18:40

Some foundation degrees have huge high grades though. And are only accessible to certain people.

Jack80 · 28/03/2023 18:52

Could she not stay at your mums also tidy her room if she goes out and tell her that’s how you want it to be if she is living under your roof. No food upstairs if plates stay up there.

Twentyfirstcenturymumma · 28/03/2023 19:07

If she wants some independence the best way is for get to get to uni, get her to research student loans, courses etc. Has she no interest in anything?
It seens like she's potentially got the ability but idk if she's on track to get reasonable A Levels
If not she's stuck at home and needs to get a job, contribute etc

FootieMama · 28/03/2023 19:23

You described my niece. My niece dropped out of the first year university. After 1 year pretty much locked in her room she is now doing a more vocational course. I think the pandemic affected teenagers more than we realise. Give her time. Take the pressure off. She has time as she is young but keep an eye on the friendships and don't be embarrassed to track her online activities at home just to make sure he isn't involved with something bad.

Frazzled83 · 28/03/2023 21:21

Dodgeitornot · 27/03/2023 10:08

Have you looked into ADD maybe? She sounds completely burned out and reminds me of me at her age. I was quite academic, ended up dropping out during my final year, completely overwhelmed by the prospect of exams. I went on ADHD meds and was like a new person.

Same here - but it took me another two decades to figure out I had adhd 😂🤦🏼‍♀️

Noodlehen · 28/03/2023 22:56

I haven’t really got any advice but you do sound like a great mum, 18 year old me sounds a bit like your DD and I wish that I had a mum like you, rather than one who kicked me out and forced me to see / experience things I really didn’t need to.

I really hope she sorts out whatever is going on with her soon.

VestaTilley · 28/03/2023 23:06

Has she ever had a Saturday job? If not, getting one may help her understand the value of money.

I’d stop paying her phone bill/take her off family plan and remove TV or anything like that in her room until she goes back to school. And tell her to grow up and of course you won’t be getting her a flat! She sounds very naiive.

If she refuses to go to school then she needs to look for work. And take away all privileges until she cleans her room! Stop pandering.

Hereforthechat2001 · 28/03/2023 23:16

OP Watch Christine McGuiness documentary on BBC iplayer. It's about her diagnonis of Autism and learning to live with. I think you might find it very interesting and may resonate to your DD

Scutterbug · 28/03/2023 23:20

My son quit grammar school during A levels. Looking back now, I think he hit burnout after all the pressure. He ended up working in a pub as a pot wash and I was mortified. He’s 23 now and landlord of his own pub. Sometimes they find their own path…

Redragtoabull · 28/03/2023 23:57

A bit harsh but had the same with my very ungrateful 17yo brat 2 months ago. Threw a suitcase in their room and told them to fuck off. Back home 8 days later after I was ready for them to come back to MY home that I pay dearly for. A massive improvement but it's starting to slide again. We had always been close, it's heart breaking but I'll do it again in a heart beat. We were all young once, but have to tolerate ourselves 🤔

Nat6999 · 29/03/2023 00:11

My ds dropped out at the beginning of Y13, he has been involved with local politics since he was 13 & is now heavily involved with the local Green Party. He is standing for election as a Councillor in the May local elections, is a trustee for a local Young Carers charity, is an Elections Co-ordinator & the LGBTQ+ representative for the local party. He probably has more on his CV than many people who have been to university. He plans to go to university with a foundation year in September 2024 doing a degree in Urban & Rural planning.

pookie999 · 29/03/2023 10:13

I have been going through this with DS this year. It is an emotional roller coaster because I thought he was going to go back a few times after meetings with college. I said eventually that if he just said what he wanted to do I would fully support him because I wanted what was best for him and my expectations were easily changed. He said in a very emotional conversation that he felt physically sick going to college and that he thought about suicide all the time. He hadn't told his friends because he wanted everyone to think he was normal and fun so they would like him. This was a break through because he needed to know that I loved and supported him through thick and thin. He also talked to his close friends about how he was really feeling. I prioritised our connection and making sure he knows he is loved and supported just as he is. I had all the usual worries about failure and so did he but I have put these away and accept that although he's academically bright he will not get those exams and that's OK. I would add that I have counselling for myself and I recommend this to any parent in this situation. It supports me to understand what really matters in my relationship with my son. I know you have Bupa and I highly recommend this especially since you need to think about your relationship with your partner. All the folks here suggesting being punitive or cutting off the phone don't understand parenting a teenager who has had the burden of lockdown. Take care

Stugs · 29/03/2023 10:22

Just a thought @ThatFraggle but she couldn't be dyslexic? Dd2 who is very bright really struggled with her last year of A levels and first year of uni- she was overwhelmed, having panic attacks, avoiding seminars anyway turns out she is quite severely dyslexic which explains her crazy messiness and her bad spelling even though she's very bright. She said if she hadn't been diagnosed she would have dropped out.

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