Led by donkeys - enough is enough

[Thisisvenus]

Bloody hell, I’ve just watched the new “led by donkeys” video. People like Matt Hancock wanting to work for a fake consultancy firm for obscene amounts of cash.

I cannot tell You how angry MPs make me right now.

I have a relative that is an NHS dr on £14 an hour. She pays for her own travel and parking. All her study… she pays for. She is so busy she sometimes doesn’t eat.

then these idiots earn loads, and then claim back loads of expenses. Disgusting in my opinion. They then get second jobs that pay them £10k a day. Without even checking if company is real first.

In my opinion an mp should only take a second job if it’s in the nhs, army etc or a volunteer job for a registered charity. That’s it. No other reason.

I can’t even process this. I’ve had enough. What on earth can we do to change this? And yes I’ll not be voting Tory at the next election. They are a bunch of posh rich boys that want to just look after themselves. Politics should be more diverse. what on earth can we do?

It's not as if the Tories pretend to be anything they aren't. Anyone voting for them knows they are for privilege and inequality. They always have been. In their own words, 'The Nasty Party'.

Some people thought they were going to be in the privileged group and voted Tory to keep others down, only to find they were the ones to suffer. But they will forgive them if the Tories pull out divisive or greed-based slogans in the near future. They always do.

There was almost an alternative a while back, but it was quickly suppressed with lies about antisemitism within it's own party and a concerted biased media offensive. Things could have been so much better.

Interesting - the £14 an hour figure comes from the lowest F1 salary for 2022-23. You say you are interested in facts but claim that no doctor anywhere earns this little despite it being there in black and white that that is the payscale. The arguments that I've seen against this appear to use claims around overtime pay and paid annual leave - I'd say these are pretty disingenuous as the hourly rates for jobs like the Pret barista will also include accrual of statutory paid leave as well and of course overtime can pay more but you are working more hours or antisocial hours!

You can get more on a graduate scheme with a bachelor's degree at the end of the day.

Ok so she's not a student she's a junior doctor.

Yes junior doctors do work hard but they are still not on only £14 an hour.
I get a lot of them are paying out a lot in student loans but it has been like that for years and most students going into the profession are aware of this before they choose to do so.
However I would like to see a lot of their studies become free to attract more into the profession.

Do I support junior doctors strikes for better pay and conditions? Absolutely I do but there has been a lot of false rhetoric surrounding NHS pay lately that just isn't true.

Yeah I see the OP has clarified she's a junior doctor.

It's hard to find anyone to vote for. They're all obnoxious in different ways and all have the same thing in common, they believe they are better than the common people. Paradoxically, to actually put yourself forward in the belief that you can lead the country better than anyone else perversely shows an arrogance that means you should never, ever be put in that position.

Ultimately, people will vote for the party that will see themselves best off financially. There's a left leaning vocal trend among wealthy liberals because they can afford to be generous and altruistic, but the cost of living means most can't. It wouldn't surprise me if, even after the last term, the Tories retain power.

A very good point.
There are some Tory MPs who are still decent Tories in the traditional sense. The MP in the neighbouring constituency is a decent constituency MP, works hard, doesn't have pisstaking 2nd jobs and is regularly in the constituency.

Shame we have #dklemon who tries if he can spare the time to visit once a month.

I am 59 and have voted in every general election and local election since I turned 18. But never voted Tory until my last local election.

I had spoken to my prospective councillor a few times, he is young and I was sure we agreed about a number of important local issues - I thought it was good to have fresh young blood too as the previous incumbent was a dinosaur.

He turned out be be like every other Tory - a duplicitous liar. I will never vote for them again.

Thing is the current gov do not espouse tory values. And Labour whilst less corrupt on an individual level, seem to lack bad sense.

Kier said it is wrong to say only women have a cervix. Lammy said those men on hormones grow a cervix. Nandy says rapists should be held in women's Prisons. Raynor is an extremist. Yes they claim less expenses but their ideology is so far detached from reality how could they make reasonable laws?

Remember the last Labour gov. Scandals aplenty, an illegal war that led to issues today including instability and migration. Ruined education, its taken years to get back up the global league tables. Tax credits so those in benefits had more money than workers up to about 70k. Race to the bottom politics and envy of success! And Blair was way more electable than kier.

So no good options at the mo.

It didn't need clarifying, it was always obvious, except for those who for their own reasons were trying to misrepresent the OP.

Who mentioned overtime and paid annual leave?

Thank you for your post.
Two of the entries on my bingo card for this thread were But Jeremy Corbyn and they know what a woman is.

Quite why anyone would think that, those are reasonable explanations for the level of corruption shown in the Led by Donkeys video I will never know.

'Some people thought they were going to be in the privileged group and voted Tory to keep others down, only to find they were the ones to suffer. But they will forgive them if the Tories pull out divisive or greed-based slogans in the near future. They always do.'

This is it. Lots of people out there thinking the Tories are for the wealthy, well that's me, I own my house and we both have good jobs, I'll vote Tory and maybe I won't have to pay inheritance tax when my parents die and leave me their house. No...the Tories want to protect a different kind of wealth. The £10,000 a day consultancy fees for a fake business kind of wealth. And they will screw everyone underneath to benefit the very wealthy.

It did need clarification as in the original OP it was stated NHS Dr on £14 an hour.
Not wanting to misrepresent at all just wanting facts not lies and exaggeration to push a narrative which seems to happen a lot on here.

Honestly anyone would think Keir Starmer is going to win the next election, charge onto the stage and announce single sex spaces are HEREBY ABOLISHED.

The minimum FY1 salary for a junior doctor is 29,384 for 2022-23 for a 40 hour week. This is £14.13 an hour before any deductions for student loans for example.

So, how are no doctors earning that given it is part of the payscale? The arguments I've seen online all refer to taking into account annual leave or overtime/shift payments. If you can explain to me how you can get to the point that no doctor is earning so little despite it being the payscale without invoking annual leave and overtime/shift payments then show your working.

It didn't need clarification. There are doctors paid £14 an hour.
Just because you don't want to believe it does not mean it is not true.

I think perhaps if one is a disciple of Gove and live in a world where experts are looked down upon and to be ignored and to think the facts they use are up for debate then arguing about everything is perfectly logical.

The really worrying thing about the Led By Donkeys video is that those MPs and ex Ministers must have received security training. And yet they seemed to have done zero due diligence.

Either they weren't bright enough to understand the training or thought they were too special for it apply to them.

Security services must have their heads in their hands.

I'm big enough to hold my hands up and say I was wrong as it seems some junior doctors are only earning that much basic pay.

It did need clarification and it has been clarified.

I don't understand it. It's all about scammers. Or a sting in their case. Every one of us has to pay attention. If I get any unexpected email, any phone call, any text, any whatsapp I immediately assume it is a scam. I carry out my own due diligence. Basically I am a total cynic and do not believe anyone is who they say they is, unless I can prove it.

Yet these idiots just take things at face value. Shocking.

Your post sums up the great British attitude marvellously.

"Government parties are all shit, but why bother holding them to account, nothing will change, can't do anything about it, whine whine whine".

This country has no spine. None. We are getting fucked hard in the arse and instead of getting out there striking like the rest of us and protesting, rioting even, on the streets to force tangible change like the French we shrug our shoulders and whine we can't do anything about it. Or worse, scream about those who ARE out on the picket line or at protests about how grabby and awful they are for daring to.

We can and we should do something about it. We are just bloody well too lazy to bother.

Sadly it is pervasive. Even full fact, who are usually pretty good, are claiming that junior doctors earn more because you have to take into account their annual leave! That is a statutory requirement for all employees! The hour pay rates for Pret baristas aren't calculated exclusive of statutory leave entitlements so why should junior doctor's be?

Yes I will happily accept that junior doctors get additional pay for night, weekend and on call work, but so do many other graduate jobs. Of course that is better than a pret barista, but come on, they are highly trained graduates for god's sake!

The graduate scheme I went on pays a minimum of £31,000 a year currently and requires a bachelor's degree only and no night shift, weekend or on call working. They also offer a premium for people with relevant postgraduate qualifications with someone with a relevant PhD getting a starting salary of £36,000 a year.

Well said @BitchBrigade

There's France rioting about pension age going from 62 to 64, yet here we are going up to 67. Before I get slated (like I did on another thread) I do not agree with damage to property or violence. Peaceful march is the way to go. Then contacting every news channel imaginable and tweeting the hell out of them for coverage.

I just said we are complacement, unlike the French, and got my arse handed to me on a plate!

No it did not need clarification. The original statement was factually accurate. Shocking but accurate.