Led by donkeys - enough is enough

[Thisisvenus]

Bloody hell, I’ve just watched the new “led by donkeys” video. People like Matt Hancock wanting to work for a fake consultancy firm for obscene amounts of cash.

I cannot tell You how angry MPs make me right now.

I have a relative that is an NHS dr on £14 an hour. She pays for her own travel and parking. All her study… she pays for. She is so busy she sometimes doesn’t eat.

then these idiots earn loads, and then claim back loads of expenses. Disgusting in my opinion. They then get second jobs that pay them £10k a day. Without even checking if company is real first.

In my opinion an mp should only take a second job if it’s in the nhs, army etc or a volunteer job for a registered charity. That’s it. No other reason.

I can’t even process this. I’ve had enough. What on earth can we do to change this? And yes I’ll not be voting Tory at the next election. They are a bunch of posh rich boys that want to just look after themselves. Politics should be more diverse. what on earth can we do?

They are perhaps a little more greedy than you or I.

It’s not really relevant who I voted for last time. Since we last voted a lot of terrible behaviour has happened

That tories are grasping fuckers out to enrich themselves is not new since the last election.

Dress it up however you like, but there are only a tiny number of reasons, when you come right down to it, anyone would vote for the current breed of Tories.

1. You're mega rich and terrified of losing your wealth
2. You're mega selfish and don't give a monkey's backside about the rest of humanity
3. You're poor but delusional and think the Tories are on your side

I get thoroughly exasperated with people using spurious arguments about Tories being the only ones who understand what a woman is to justify their inhumane and badly thought out voting decisions. It was the Tories who initially introduced much of the misogynistic legislation we're now paying for.

Once upon a time there may have been moderate Tories who cared about their constituents and even the country as a whole. Even Thatcher, evil and fond of a good cover up as she was, genuinely seemed to believe she was serving the country's best interests. Those days are long gone. Those still voting Tory are complicit in inhumane, selfish and beyond materialistic attitudes that are breathtaking in their cruelty and self centredness when you actually start looking at the detail.

No, I don't think labour or any other party is perfect, and yes, there are plenty of politicians in other parties who are also venal, greedy, incompetent and delusional about their own abilities and worth.

But as Led by Donkeys and others regularly point out, the evidence shows that these characteristics are found more often amongst Tories. So many Tories seem to think they have a Good given right to rule because they went to the right schools, have a posh accent, and were born with a silver spoon stuck up their rectum.

The thing is though it has been like this for years so they must know what they are getting into before they choose to do so.
Does that mean I don't support my colleagues striking?
No it doesn't but if things are as bad as people make out why do they do it?

Maybe they are looking at the long term of becoming a consultant.

Roussette
I carry out my own due diligence.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/10/labour-mps-defend-taking-donations-from-little-known-company

FGS God given right not good.

I do have to say that I am consistently impressed by the Tories' ability to convince enough people to vote against their own self-interests. It is really a political marvel.

At the end of that day they've made it easy for me this time as I don't have any conflict between self-interest and the moral position on wider societal benefits. The Tories have fucked up society at large and made me poorer as an individual so why on earth would I ever vote for them? Yet there are millions of people who are in the same situation who will do so...

@Clavinova I take it you agree with Sir Keir that there should be a ban on MPs having 2nd jobs and will therefore vote for his party at the next election?

I'm sorry, I don't see what point you are making. If you support strikes then you understand that pay rates are not acceptable, the fact that people know this but go into the profession anyway is irrelevant to whether pay rates are too low or not.

However, many people aren't doing it - they are either not training in medicine or they are moving abroad for better paying positions. The NHS could not staff itself with just home-trained doctors and relies heavily on medical professionals from developing nations.

"I have a relative that is an NHS dr on £14 an hour. She pays for her own travel and parking."

That was from the OP.
No mention said relative was a junior doctor so clarification is always handy which the OP did.😊

Great post.

But there is no. 3

Pesky brown people taking school places, houses and doctors' appointments. Whilst not understanding what the Tories have done to the NHS and other public services over 13 years.

But Keir Starmer’s #1 change he has promised is to ban all second jobs for MPs with very strict exceptions

Keir Starmer wants second jobs for MPs banned but defends David Lammy earning £200k
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/keir-starmer-labour-lammy-jobs-b2258114.html

Yes I thought of the same story - slightly different because those payments were made to MPs/local party for campaigning rather than for individual gain.
But clearly a lack of intelligence in more ways than one.
And the article outlines how Tory local parties also benefited from mysterious donors.
Always interesting to see who is donating vast sums to political parties.

Are junior doctors not doctors?

Frankly, yes I would. Mind you, I don't think for one minute that Corbyn was PM material. If it were a choice between him and a competent but dishonest PM I'd probably hold my nose and vote for the latter. However, at the last election the alternative was both incompetent and dishonest. I genuinely don't believe JC would have fucked up the country on purpose even to benefit himself (and there's an admittedly small possibility he wouldn't have fucked it up at all, not majorly at least!). BJ would and did, and is still trying to carry on the same way even though he's not even in charge.

Why do people continue to vote Tory? Sometimes it is as pp said, they identify with the demographic that low tax, minimal government policies are aimed at. But some simply don't pay much attention to politics. I'm trying not to be snobby here but I still occasionally meet people who want to see BJ back because Good Old Boris was such a card, so amusing etc, that Starmer fellow is a bit of a stuffed shirt inn'e? I'm informed by a trustworthy source that at the last election some voters were heard asking why Boris wasn't on the ballot paper as they wanted to vote for him. On being informed that Mr Johnson was not standing in this constituency, they went "what's that then?". Yet their vote counts just as much as someone who I might disagree with but has at least a vague idea how democracy actually works in this country.

I wasn't trying to make a point it was a question, wondering out loud if you will.

I don't see a problem in questioning something like that as it it could give an insight into how people feel and where we go moving forward.

Did I say that?

Tories, Labour, lib dens.... doesn't really matter who we vote for or who is in government. All the same.
For this reason I stopped voting.

Only if you don't know that junior doctors are doctors and for some reason think they are students.

But Keir Starmer’s #1 change he has promised is to ban all second jobs for MPs with very strict exceptions

Keir Starmer registered £115,000 in earnings for work outside Parliament during time as MP.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-registered-earnings-work-outside-parliament-mp-1297083

July 2017
Keir Starmer accused of hypocrisy over Brexit law firm role.
The Shadow Brexit Secretary is to become a consultant to solicitors Mishcon de Reya, who represented Remain campaigner Gina Miller.

James Cleverly has written to Sir Keir suggesting he is guilty of a potential conflict of interest - and hypocrisy - given Labour's opposition to second jobs for MPs.
https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-accused-of-hypocrisy-over-brexit-law-firm-role-10960196

I do see something wrong with questioning from a point of ignorance.

I am not a medical professional, however a few minutes on the internet can provide all you need to know about how medical careers are constructed, basic pay rates, and the fact that there are almost 8,000 medical vacancies in the NHS currently that is over 5% of all NHS medical positions. All from trusted sources.

If, instead of doing that very basic amount of research to address your own questions you challenge others' claims from a point of ignorance then it is hardly surprising that people will interpret your intervention as potentially having malign intent.

I will continue to vote Tory because I know my place and like to doff my cap to my superiors.

Of course it's relevant. You got what you voted for. If you couldn't see them for what they were before you voted then perhaps people like you shouldn't be allowed near a ballot box!

Well, you seem to think that it needed to be clarified that this person was a junior doctor. Did you seriously think they would be a consultant or GP earning £14 an hour?

They are in training.