AIBU to think this man (who has undergone no transitioning) should be allow play on women's teams. Sick to my stomach this is happening.

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https://extra.ie/2022/09/09/news/transgender-gaa-player-speaks-out

This man (in red) has undergone no attempt to transition. Yet he's playing on women's GAA football teams in Ireland because he feels he's a woman.
Imagine him tackling a poor woman would have no chance. Prior to that he played women's rugby.
Why is this happening in women's sports, prisons, changing rooms, toilets.
Why are trans women's rights more important than ours.
This man (who is in no way a woman or even a trans woman) needs to play with a team where the rest of the players have penises too or else start his own trans league. Get out of women's sports & spaces.

I do wonder how some people on this thread would cope if their son told them he thought he was in the wrong body and wanted to live as a woman.

I would be supportive but also encourage him to do this respectfully and with consideration for others rather than have an no argument sense of entitlement that everyone should give up their rights, privacy and safety for him. Genuine trans people actually get this and live their lives without infringing on others rights.

I would also be checking his internet history to ensure they are making an informed decision and not been railroaded by a pressure group.

Oh those Olympic regulations that allow men to keep male hormone levels and still play against women, rather than reduce them to female levels?

Not sure what their motive is, if they’re male or female, but it’s not right

You don't play any sports do you?

Now that World Athletics has banned all transwomen regardless of testosterone level (they have banned anyone who went through male puberty from participating in women's sports), I don't think we will see these athletes at the Olympics

I think it was z fault of the instructor pairing unsuitable opponents in the post where the op says she was onjured by a transwoman.Most martial arts classes are mixed.Absolutely no treason why they should not have been there

@Naunet - was about to say the exact same thing!

Speaks volumes that the IOC go to great lengths to rule out an unfair advantage with biologically intersex women who have higher levels of testosterone, competing against XX women. They are basically saying its not fair to allow women with disorders which cause hyperandrogenism to compete against "normal" women as it gives them an adavantage. But its okay to allow men, who have higher levels of testosterone than women, to compete against women.

I fail to understand why any sane person cannot see the whole agenda is discriminatory against women and continue the whataboutery about trans rights.

Your heading led me to believe you think he/she should be allowed.
I think it's wrong and I'm happy with the decision of Seb Coe.

@2023forme they are women hating womenphobes.

Even having a man announce for the world athletics organisation what women's rights should be.. Men dictating to us little women yet again.

Actually a hell of a lot of people care and are trying to change things. You could join us. A good start is raising awareness of the issue.

Indeed. Just waiting for someone to pop up saying...."I showed this thread to DH and he thinks yadda yadda yadda" 😂

I really don’t get why this is such a with us or against us issue for people. It’s got to be possible to find a solution where you protect single sex spaces and make provision for transgender people.

I thought exactly this about 6 years ago. I can hardly believe how naïve I was.

Women no longer have energy or resources to spare to support trans people campaigning for additional resources for themselves because we are exhausted trying to hold onto what we have a claw back what we have.

Are you even aware of all the attempts to prosecute women who have campaigned for womens rights. In nearly every case the charges have been dropped after we have crowd funded legal costs and the subject of the complaint has endured months of stress. In one case a complainant alleged that suffragette ribbons tied to a fence were shaped like a noose and were therefore a threat to him. In another case a transwoman was even taken to court for speaking factually about this issue, the case was thrown out on day one. There are a small number of TRA's who are serial vexatious litigants. Women are worn out trying to fight this nonsense.

TRA's are not fighting for resources for trans people, they simply want to take womens. Why should we campaign on their behalf?

I signed the petition started by Fionne and Miranda when it was first started a couple of years ago and you can see how much support the trans community has given it.

I really don’t get why this is such a with us or against us issue for people. It’s got to be possible to find a solution where you protect single sex spaces and make provision for transgender people.

TG people can campaign for third spaces/categories. There, sorted.

Indeed. I have been writing to my MP regularly since 2016. I have spoken to her in person a couple of times. I subscribe to as many you tube channels as I can and donate to every crowd funder I can afford. I share articles, blogs and books. I have a supply of stickers in my bag and use them.
I have no influence in the area of sport though, being an OAP in mediocre health.

@TheKeatingFive this was suggested on a Facebook article & trans posters said they did not want to be segregated 🙄 they have their rights & should be allowed to compete in women's sport not segregated!

They are allowed to compete in sports, which are categorised according to sex, not gender identity.

They could always compete in mixed sports, or as I said before, find some "cis" allies to set up sporting competitions which are categorised according to gender identity.

I work in mental health and have observed a huge rise in 'trans-identifying' Autistic people which is supported by the statistics and I'm so glad you brought this up

It got so huge that my local adult Autism service made groups for trans-identifying patients. Which everyone working there was concerned about.

Not because they are bigoted or transphobic but because Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder which effects the way that person experiences the world and their self-identity and how they interact with people close to them. And the world.

When we know that the recent massive increase in trans-identifying people includes many who have a diagnosis of ASC, there should at least be a pause in the thinking to try to understand why that is?

It doesn't mean to disregard those peoples thoughts or feelings but if the massive rise is in people with that neurodiversity, my question would be is it part of that neurodiversity?

I've personally met male individuals diagnosed as ASC who are saying they now identify as a woman and want to be called by a new name and she/her pronouns be used but they're wearing a skirt and have a beard. And when asked what they think a woman is? they can't say.

And a biological male Autistic person who waa seeking treatment to transition who told me they wanted to transition because 'women are much better at being empathic and understanding other people's feelings'.

So to me, their desire to transition was because being a 'woman' would magically stop them from having the social communication, interaction and imagination difficulties that were part of their ASC. And they have sensory things and just preferences where they liked soft fabrics so thought that wanting to wear silks, satins and the physical freedom of shirts and dresses so they meant they must really be a woman?

I don't want to gatekeep anyone's life experiences but the current paradigm is going against what has occurred for decades/centuries. It's eradicating cross-dressers and forcing people into being 'trans'

Yep, it’s pure male supremacy

this was suggested on a Facebook article & trans posters said they did not want to be segregated 🙄 they have their rights & should be allowed to compete in women's sport not segregated!

Oh I know, right.

But they need to get used to the idea that they can't have every single thing they want.

There are solutions. If they're going to reject all these sensible solutions, then that's on them. It's not women's problem.

Hmm, 4,000 signatures. That's not many considering that there are estimated to be up to half a million trans people in the UK, and that petition will have been signed by people who are not trans themselves.

Could it possibly be that trans people don't actually want third spaces, they want to be validated as members of the opposite sex?

From my point of view, in principle I would support third spaces, even though it would cost an awful lot of money to accommodate a small number of people who already have access to facilities and sports for members of their own sex.

In practice, it would be a complete waste of time and money because they don't "just want to pee", they want to be in women's spaces. So we could spend all this money creating third spaces for trans people, only for transgender males to still use women's spaces.

There was a FB/Twitter post I saw screenshotted a while back where the parent of a transgender/non-binary child suggested that there should be separate sports categories for those "AFAB" and those "AMAB" (in quotes, because no-one is assigned anything at birth) to allow for identities to be respected but the physical advantages to be recognised too.

I don't think it went down too well.

They need to set up their own trans leagues or play with the other big boys with penesis if they want to compete. They should no longer be permitted to bully & elbow their way into women's sports just because they "feel" like it. How was this ever allowed get this far?

How is that the same thing at all?

Gay people are not suffering from a mental illness or body dysphoria. They want to be who they are. They also don't want to take away anyone else's rights. Transpeople want to be who they're not. What does being a woman or a man actually mean?

And biologically they WILL always be the sex they were born.

I think he’s taking the piss out of everyone.

In my view there should be no division based on gender, race, sexuality, religion or age, the only division should be based on performance.

I’m going to sweep the board in the KS1 races this sports day!!

Other athletes who are competing in categories not intended for them include Italian Valentina Petrillo 49.

A male athlete with a sight impairment, he not only competes very successfully in the able bodied women’s races (won all his races and set a new record) but he’s also allowed into the disabled women’s competition.