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dinner just went to shit - why?

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Whatjusthappenedthen · 19/03/2023 17:59

Call me overdramatic but I'm trying to process exactly what went on and dinner just now and would appreciate advice on how it went so badly and how to avoid it happening again?

First of all, we're probably all neurodiverse - DS1 and DS2 both diagnosed, I have anxiety and probably adhd but haven't been diagnosed yet, my DD acts 'strangely' for her age so I think she's probably autistic like DS1 and the same goes for my partner.

Anyway.

We sat down for a roast dinner and DD (14) grabbed the gravy jug just as I was about to reach for it. I jokingly said "it's okay, you have the gravy first" with a smile on my face, to which DD asked what I'd said and I just said I was joking, but next time ask before just taking the gravy jug.

She immediately got stroppy and started sulking, so I told her to quit it as she does this a lot and was kind of done with her behaviour for today (she had one of these strops earlier when she took offence to something else I said).

She then sat there with a face like thunder, picking at her food so I told her to stop it, then just lost it and said I couldn't cope with sitting opposite her with a face on her. Left her table and went into the other room - 30 seconds later decided that was childish and started to walk back into the dining room to be met by my partner bringing my plate to me, saying my food was going cold.
I told him it was fine and we sat back down at the table.

Started eating, had to tell DD again to drop the attitude because she was picking at her fold, sighing dramatically and looking like she was about to cry, then my partner got up and turned the tv down to a whisper in the other room (open plan room), came back and sat down but then when I said it was so quiet it may as well have gone off, the whole point I'd put it on was to avoid us all sitting in silence at the table, partner got up and turned the TV back up again then finally came back to statt eating.

He got halfway through his dinner then sat for a minute not eating, then he got up, took his plate out to the kitchen and went and sat in the other room.

Just to clarify, we don't have a rule to stay at the table until everyone's finished, so him leaving the way he did wasn't an issue, aside from the fact he didn't eat all his food like usual.

DD was on the verge of tears and ate slowly, both DS deemed oblivious and when I finished my food I went to ask dp what had been wrong and he said he'd not fancied his food because of the atmosphere (created by my telling dd off - he said I wasn't wrong to do that but it created an awkward atmosphere which put him off his food).

Now, I'm baffled by how it all spiraled - it was such a small thing that escalated and dd end dd up finishing her dinner and going upstairs in tears.

I've spoken to her and apologised for how things went, but how can I stop that happening again? Should I have just not made that joke in the first place or was dd overreacting...was the atmosphere really my fault or should my partner have ignored the fact I told dd off or was it all me and I should've just brought it up with dd after dinner?

Any advice appreciated!

OP posts:
Anotherturnipforthebooks · 19/03/2023 18:33

Your behaviour is the problem here.

Are mealtimes always so miserable/tense that you have to have the tv on in the background?

MiddleParking · 19/03/2023 18:34

Just to clarify, we don't have a rule to stay at the table until everyone's finished, so him leaving the way he did wasn't an issue, aside from the fact he didn't eat all his food like usual.

OP, that’s another adult you’re talking about. Who do you think you are to say whether he’s following the rules or that him not finishing his food is an issue?! Also, your disclaimer essentially says that neither you nor your daughter are autistic according to anyone actually qualified to diagnose you so I’d love to know why you mentioned it at all. She doesn’t sound at all like she behaves ‘strangely’ for her age, but nice language.

DelilahBucket · 19/03/2023 18:34

You were being unreasonable. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill and then making it even worse by continuing to have a go at her. She should have been able to just get the gravy. If she wanted to sulk I'd have let her and ignored the behaviour, not gone on and on about it.

Meandfour · 19/03/2023 18:35

YABU. Why is it an issue if she got the gravy jug first? Mountain and molehill much.

BertaHoon · 19/03/2023 18:35

What a load of faff.

She's your daughter, a teenager with so much going on in her life.

Joking is fine - after you darling!

Telling her to ask first is NOT fine. You caused this by trying to , in her eyes, lay down more rules...
And if she can't help herself to a bit more gravy in her home without being 'told'. What the bloody hell can she do?

Look at yourself OP.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/03/2023 18:35

This shit is exactly why we eat on the sofa. I had this throughout my childhood and with my arsehole ex, as did DP - that feeling of being constantly under scrutiny and trapped with no escape from the situation. It also contributed towards EDs, as it's fucking excruciating to have the way you eat, how much you eat, the look on your face, the expectation to make polite conversation, the entire 'This is what families do' shit ruining your entire evening.

JaffavsCookie · 19/03/2023 18:35

How can you complain about your dd having a “face” on when you stormed out part way through the meal? You are supposed to be the grown up

mathanxiety · 19/03/2023 18:35

I think you indulged in a good deal of drama, regardless. Getting up and leaving the table was what I'd call creating a scene.

FrangipaniBlue · 19/03/2023 18:36

how can I stop that happening again?

You could start by leaving your poor family alone!

The amount of passive aggressive from you was unreal.

First it was directed at your DD because she dared pick up a gravy boat before you and then aimed at your DH when he turned volume on the tv down.

I'm genuinely shocked that you seem so shocked about "how it went so wrong" Confused

Pancakeorcrepe · 19/03/2023 18:36

You sound awful, your poor daughter.

Lwrenagain · 19/03/2023 18:38

Was it proper gravy that was made from scratch or bisto?

No relevance I'm just nosy.

harriethoyle · 19/03/2023 18:38

I, too, am intrigued by your utterly bizarre gravy hierarchy...Why does she have to ask permission but you don't?

namechange3394 · 19/03/2023 18:38

My mother used to make these kind of scenes about me "taking offence" to the snippy, offensive, nitpicky things she used to say.

You upset her by telling her off for something she hadn't realised was wrong, and then you told her to "quit it" with the attitude, except you then stropped off to another room - I wonder where she gets the attitude from eh?

Once you realised she was upset, why the fuck did you not apologise then?

With hindsight, my mother was most likely neurodivergent (I am) - however you cannot let your neurodivergence be an excuse to treat your children like shit. It is difficult being a neurodivergent parent to neurodivergent children, but you have not handled this well at all.

topcat2014 · 19/03/2023 18:39

If the gravy ended up on the tablecloth and the walls I could see the issue..

For context my 16 year old won't touch gravy and generally eats her food on the sofa hiding behind a cushion while we eat at the table though.

Threeboysandadog · 19/03/2023 18:39

You started it with your passive aggressive “joke” re the gravy boat and then carried it on picking at your DD and sulking in the living room. My dh can’t eat in an atmosphere and would have left his meal too. We are a neurodiverse household and it can be very difficult. Dh can’t stand the kids fiddling with their cutlery before they get their meal but try telling a child with ADHD not to fiddle. The cutlery is served with the meal. You have to try to preempt possible conflict and pick your battles.

ActDottie · 19/03/2023 18:40

I don’t understand the gravy jug bit… she shouldn’t have to ask to use the gravy jug and it sounds like you handled it badly.

ColdHandsHotHead · 19/03/2023 18:40

You seem to have been picking at everyone? Your DD probably just wanted a hug!

maddy68 · 19/03/2023 18:41

You lost me at her going fro teh gravy you had out on the table for everyone to help themselves !

londonloves · 19/03/2023 18:41

Honestly it sounds like you and your partner are making a massive drama out of nothing. I don't usually reply to threads like this but Honestly, choose your battles.

Minfilia · 19/03/2023 18:42

I have ADHD and I somehow manage not to be a twat to my kids.

You sound like a bully OP and it’s deeply unpleasant.

Imagine seeing your child upset and then making her feel even worse. REALLY shitty parenting.

FWIW when we have family dinners we all somehow manage to just wait for others without commenting on it or sulking because someone got to the gravy first. And I have 4 hungry teenagers…

LizzieVereker · 19/03/2023 18:42

I’m sure you didn’t mean to, but you entirely created this problem.

bussteward · 19/03/2023 18:43

I’m not surprised DD was upset: it sounds like you pick and pick and pick at her, and starting from the non-issue of her having some gravy. You were reaching for the gravy without asking, why is that OK for you but not DD?

I’d have been upset as a teen for being picked at over something like that, followed by all the pick pick picking at her being upset, you dramatically leaving the room because you can’t sit opposite her (are you the mum or are you five?!), you wanting the tv on because you can’t have people eating in comfortable silence but somehow imply it’s all your family’s fault. Your partner walking off with his food didn’t help. You both need to model the behaviour you want to see, adults stay at the table, you need to be fair about random rules over who has to ask for gravy (DD) and who gets to just grab (you, apparently), not have petty rules about gravy at all tbh, turn the telly off, and stop nagging at everyone. And as for not wanting to sit opposite your DD: if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.

The whole atmosphere sounds awful but it also sounds led by you and to a lesser extent your partner. Family dinners can be great, I always loved them, but you need to rethink your attitude to them.

Xzxzxzxz · 19/03/2023 18:43

Your poor daughter. You had a dig at her for having some gravy, then tried to gaslight her into believing you were joking, and then had a dig at her for not pretending that you weren't having a dig at her, and then tried to bully her into not being upset and topped it off with having another go at her about having lost her appetite. You are being unbelievably unreasonable.

Lordofthebutterfloofs · 19/03/2023 18:44

You cause the atmosphere. You were a twat to your Dd over gravy and you wonder why she got upset?

Pick your battles OP this wasn't it.

ThroughLife · 19/03/2023 18:44

chill - you seem quite overbearing

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