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dinner just went to shit - why?

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Whatjusthappenedthen · 19/03/2023 17:59

Call me overdramatic but I'm trying to process exactly what went on and dinner just now and would appreciate advice on how it went so badly and how to avoid it happening again?

First of all, we're probably all neurodiverse - DS1 and DS2 both diagnosed, I have anxiety and probably adhd but haven't been diagnosed yet, my DD acts 'strangely' for her age so I think she's probably autistic like DS1 and the same goes for my partner.

Anyway.

We sat down for a roast dinner and DD (14) grabbed the gravy jug just as I was about to reach for it. I jokingly said "it's okay, you have the gravy first" with a smile on my face, to which DD asked what I'd said and I just said I was joking, but next time ask before just taking the gravy jug.

She immediately got stroppy and started sulking, so I told her to quit it as she does this a lot and was kind of done with her behaviour for today (she had one of these strops earlier when she took offence to something else I said).

She then sat there with a face like thunder, picking at her food so I told her to stop it, then just lost it and said I couldn't cope with sitting opposite her with a face on her. Left her table and went into the other room - 30 seconds later decided that was childish and started to walk back into the dining room to be met by my partner bringing my plate to me, saying my food was going cold.
I told him it was fine and we sat back down at the table.

Started eating, had to tell DD again to drop the attitude because she was picking at her fold, sighing dramatically and looking like she was about to cry, then my partner got up and turned the tv down to a whisper in the other room (open plan room), came back and sat down but then when I said it was so quiet it may as well have gone off, the whole point I'd put it on was to avoid us all sitting in silence at the table, partner got up and turned the TV back up again then finally came back to statt eating.

He got halfway through his dinner then sat for a minute not eating, then he got up, took his plate out to the kitchen and went and sat in the other room.

Just to clarify, we don't have a rule to stay at the table until everyone's finished, so him leaving the way he did wasn't an issue, aside from the fact he didn't eat all his food like usual.

DD was on the verge of tears and ate slowly, both DS deemed oblivious and when I finished my food I went to ask dp what had been wrong and he said he'd not fancied his food because of the atmosphere (created by my telling dd off - he said I wasn't wrong to do that but it created an awkward atmosphere which put him off his food).

Now, I'm baffled by how it all spiraled - it was such a small thing that escalated and dd end dd up finishing her dinner and going upstairs in tears.

I've spoken to her and apologised for how things went, but how can I stop that happening again? Should I have just not made that joke in the first place or was dd overreacting...was the atmosphere really my fault or should my partner have ignored the fact I told dd off or was it all me and I should've just brought it up with dd after dinner?

Any advice appreciated!

OP posts:
bucketloadofcats · 19/03/2023 18:09

What was the joke?

As an outsider looking in, DD reached for the jug, and you told her she had to ask for permission to do something as basic as that. I'm not surprised she felt upset at that - it comes across as unnecessarily controlling and making up rules just because you're the adult and you can exercise that power over her. It can be really difficult sometimes being a child and feeling like adults get to tell you what to do for no reason other than they're older.

Having upset her, you then criticised her for being upset. And then you threw a tantrum and left the table. Which was OK, apparently, but DD still being upset at your behaviour was not.

You then also criticised your partner, who also - like DD - felt you were being a bit off, and lost his appetite and left.

This whole situation was caused by you.

Next time a 'joke' doesn't land and no one finds it funny, you need to acknowledge your sense of humour fail to lighten the atmosphere.

pictoosh · 19/03/2023 18:09

It was you sniping over petty crap then escalating the fact that your daughter was annoyed about it. Then you moaned about the tv adding to the downcast atmosphere.
That’s what happened.

I wouldn’t worry about it.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 19/03/2023 18:10

What?

Why would you expect people to ask before picking up a shared item on the table? That’s bizarre.

And you have the TV on so that you don’t sit in silence?

It reads like you were nitpicking everyone and making it thoroughly unenjoyable.

FlounderingFruitcake · 19/03/2023 18:10

And why are you allowed to strop off to the other room (how rude!) but DD can’t make a face?

QuackMooBaaOink · 19/03/2023 18:10

It does sound from your post like you were picking for an argument. First the gravy jug, then for being stroppy, then for picking at her food, then for looking upset, then for turning the TV down, then for why he left the table.

As for DD - teens are stroppy. Not excusing it but equally a case of picking your battles. A gravy jug isn't a hill I'd die on 🤷 then once she was already annoyed, to keep relentless picking at her would have infuriated her further.
Your DH - he had already had the argument, the attitude, got up one to take you your food, got up again to turn TV down, got up again to turn it up. Jesus, that sort of the jack in the box lunch would put anyone off their food.
It sounds like an incredibly stressful environment and not one I'd enjoy eating in tbh.

Brunilde · 19/03/2023 18:10

Yeah I think you caused this by telling her to ask permission to take the gravy. Why would she have to do that?

Notimeforaname · 19/03/2023 18:10

You picked at your daughter for no reason.

She then got in a mood and you tried to control her feelings and facial expressions. Leave her to it. Jesus.

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/03/2023 18:11

Pick your battles.

You're creating about the gravy, her face, her attitude, the TV volume...

If you'd just let her have the gravy, nonissue. If you'd ignored her attitude, no issue. And so on.

You want things just so. Your perfect isn't everyone else's.

OnlyFannys · 19/03/2023 18:11

bucketloadofcats · 19/03/2023 18:09

What was the joke?

As an outsider looking in, DD reached for the jug, and you told her she had to ask for permission to do something as basic as that. I'm not surprised she felt upset at that - it comes across as unnecessarily controlling and making up rules just because you're the adult and you can exercise that power over her. It can be really difficult sometimes being a child and feeling like adults get to tell you what to do for no reason other than they're older.

Having upset her, you then criticised her for being upset. And then you threw a tantrum and left the table. Which was OK, apparently, but DD still being upset at your behaviour was not.

You then also criticised your partner, who also - like DD - felt you were being a bit off, and lost his appetite and left.

This whole situation was caused by you.

Next time a 'joke' doesn't land and no one finds it funny, you need to acknowledge your sense of humour fail to lighten the atmosphere.

Yeah the more I think about it the more I see it this way. Also saying a snotty comment with a "smile on your face" doesnt make it a joke, it makes it passive aggressive

gencritdd · 19/03/2023 18:11

Why are you entitled to the gravy before her?

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 19/03/2023 18:11

And yeah - you get to storm out of the room (how childish), but she doesn’t get to sit their with a face on her (which she only has because of your unreasonableness)?

How does that work?

SchoolTripDrama · 19/03/2023 18:11

You were the first to throw a tantrum, OP

GoodChat · 19/03/2023 18:12

Nobody should have to ask to use a gravy boat. You didn't.

If you can't competently have a communal jug of gravy, just add gravy to plates when serving the meal.

You caused tension for absolutely no reason at all - and undiagnosed ADHD isn't a reason.

pictoosh · 19/03/2023 18:12

FlounderingFruitcake · 19/03/2023 18:10

And why are you allowed to strop off to the other room (how rude!) but DD can’t make a face?

Yup.

Rememberal · 19/03/2023 18:12

I don't want to say "you sound controlling" because this is just one post and not an overview of your entire life but that was definitely the vibes I was getting. Maybe controlling is the wrong word - overbearing?

"I was about to reach for the gravy when DD took it so I made a passive aggressive comment"

"DH turned the TV down so I made a passive aggressive comment"

"DD wasn't eating so I left the room in a PA strop"

I dunno, maybe try not being like that and just enjoy your dinner 🤷🏻‍♀️ the fact you turned the TV on before the dinner incase there was awkward silence suggests this kinda thing isn't a one off?

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 19/03/2023 18:13

The way you've described this, you were the problem.

  • you knew DD wasn't in a great mood based on earlier behaviours
  • you instigated a situation with a passive aggressive comments about her grabbing the gravy when you were about to do the same thing
  • you then started commenting on her facial expressions until she reacted
  • you then walked off in a strop for a bit then came back to the table
  • you then made stroppy comments to your partner who was trying to make a nicer environment until he left the table rather than engage with you.

When you realised you'd hit a nerve with you daughter you should have just simply said 'it was just a joke, but I'm sorry if it upset you'then carried on with your dinner chatting to your partner and other children and giving her the chance to cool off. If you felt her behaviour demanded a more in depth discussion that can be done calmly after dinner just you and her, once everyone has had a chance to settle down.

SherbetDips · 19/03/2023 18:13

she reached for the gravy at the same time as you..and you belittled her for reasons I’ve no idea 😂

BanditsGravyStain · 19/03/2023 18:13

Look at how many times you’ve picked at her and negatively spoken towards her in such a short space of time. She wasn’t rude or out of line for reaching for the gravy, so she probably felt like she was being told off for no reason (she is correct), which upsets her and all you do is tell her off for failing to conceal her feelings.

This is why I hated my parents at this age. Nothing I did was right and when I had the nerve to be upset I was still wrong.

SilverCatStripes · 19/03/2023 18:14

Dinner went to shit because you acted like a bit of a dick OP.

Nothing you described sounds anything related to you being ND, but trying to have a power play with your DD. If you want to have a good relationship you need to learn to pick your battles- daft stuff like who gets the gravy first really doesn’t matter.

ShellsOnTheBeach · 19/03/2023 18:14

I said it was so quiet it may as well have gone off, the whole point I'd put it on was to avoid us all sitting in silence at the table

Why would you not talk to each other over dinner? What on earth is going on in your family - apart from you bullying your daughter........ and your husband clearly being fed up and checking out instead of trying to get the family dinner back on track?

It all seems so dysfunctional.

TidyDancer · 19/03/2023 18:14

Sounds like your DD was stroppy but you started it by being rude to her and continued to pick at her the whole meal. Then at your DH for the TV.

So yeah, it was mostly your fault and it didn't really need to happen.

I also don't understand the gravy hierarchy. Why does DD need to ask permission for gravy?

PaperwhiteTheGhost · 19/03/2023 18:14

Hello. Hi. You're the problem, it's you.

BotterMon · 19/03/2023 18:14

Much ado about nothing.

dietcokelime · 19/03/2023 18:14

DaveyJonesLocker · 19/03/2023 18:06

You took a dig at your daughter for getting some gravy. You expect her to ask if she's allowed the gravy that's been out on the table? Are you having a laugh?

Then you kept taking constant digs at her. Then you stormed out, then stormed back in again. Then carried on having a go at your daughter. Then had a go at your husband.

It was ALL you. You saw your daughter nearly in tears and just carried on.

If you reach for the gravy jug as someone else has already taken it you apologise and wait your damn turn. If your kid is upset you try to cheer them up, not tell them off. Seriously you must be hell to live with and not a thing you've said or done can be attributed to being ND. It's just being a bully.

Exactly what I came to say!

It's totally bullying behaviour.

Your poor family having to deal with this, must be like walking on eggshells. All from reaching for gravy?! Barmy.

I8toys · 19/03/2023 18:15

What a load of drama about simply eating food. What a performance for everyone.