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Do you think you're a nice person?

304 replies

haioopl · 18/03/2023 14:09

I go out of my way for friends and will consider other’s feelings etc. But this is mostly for my own gain, to feel liked and needed. I can be incredibly selfish and often have very selfish thoughts. Is anyone truly nice? Truly genuine?

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Wiltingredrose · 19/03/2023 15:47

I am nice but since having children I realise I don’t genuinely care about a lot of people. I guess it’s a thing that happens, all your feelings and energy turn towards your family. I also find a lot of people very performatively nice. Amongst my circle of friends there is a lot of virtue signalling. I would rather people think I wasn’t nice then give into the performative crap.

I am definitely less judgmental, but not in the normal way. I expect most people to be let downs in some way or other because that’s the human condition. I am surprised when people are so hard on others.

Batshit123 · 19/03/2023 15:52

tunamayo81 · 19/03/2023 15:30

If you read the whole thread, read what that poster has written, then read the fact she thinks she’s completely normal and anyone who challenges her should be ignored, my comment was justified.

You are literally just making stuff up. I have never said any of those things, this is so bizarre. Please quote where I said I am normal and please quote where I said anyone who challenges should be ignored.

tunamayo81 · 19/03/2023 15:55

Batshit123 · 19/03/2023 15:52

You are literally just making stuff up. I have never said any of those things, this is so bizarre. Please quote where I said I am normal and please quote where I said anyone who challenges should be ignored.

you’ve clearly written that you don’t need help and posters should be ignored? Are you ok? like seriously?

tunamayo81 · 19/03/2023 16:03

Batshit123 · 19/03/2023 10:22

@Oblomov23 thank you.

I did find it a bit upsetting to have posters jump on my posts and tell me to 'go and get help'
I actually think that really belittles people that genuinely need serious help, and if I did need help it would make me even worse to have it said like that.

I'm actually a very kind friend, but I do get jealous occasionally about specific things because it shines a light on areas that I am insecure about or struggling with, such as being completely and skint.
Likewise I understand that my friend who cant get pregnant gets upset when I and other friends have fallen pregnant easily, I get it. I don't think I'm weird and I'll just ignore those posts.
I've been here 13 years and the keyboard nasties never fail to surprise me, especially when they are called the friendly one 😄

You remember you wrote this, yes?

Batshit123 · 19/03/2023 16:05

What are you talking about? Being normal and needing help are very different. Or does everyone who is different need help?
I think telling someone they need help on an online forum based on two post is probably as low as you can go actually. Totally fucking awful.
i hope these posts don't intimidate others from posting honestly.

tunamayo81 · 19/03/2023 16:12

Batshit123 · 19/03/2023 16:05

What are you talking about? Being normal and needing help are very different. Or does everyone who is different need help?
I think telling someone they need help on an online forum based on two post is probably as low as you can go actually. Totally fucking awful.
i hope these posts don't intimidate others from posting honestly.

I don’t understand why you don’t realise what you’ve written is really concerning? It’s nothing to do with whether you posted honestly or didn’t, it’s about the fact you seem to think you being like that is ok? Like others have said, someone being nice to friends faces and secretly wishing bad things about them is about as bad as it gets.

Batshit123 · 19/03/2023 16:16

Well someone just above said exactly the same thing, laughing about it. So I'm obviously not the only weird one that 'needs help'.
As it happens I think your behaviour is really concerning and vicious, so thank god we are fortunate enough not to know each other. Feel free to target someone else now as I'm done.

tunamayo81 · 19/03/2023 16:19

Batshit123 · 19/03/2023 16:16

Well someone just above said exactly the same thing, laughing about it. So I'm obviously not the only weird one that 'needs help'.
As it happens I think your behaviour is really concerning and vicious, so thank god we are fortunate enough not to know each other. Feel free to target someone else now as I'm done.

It’s not vicious, i’m just holding you accountable for what you’ve written and you don’t like it.

stinkfaceison · 19/03/2023 17:00

Karma

By saying this I meant what goes around comes around and yes its happened to me but I deserved it .

SerafinasGoose · 19/03/2023 17:26

What’s ‘nice’, anyway? It was a word my teachers told me never to use. And now that I’m well into adulthood, not to mention far down the track of female socialization, I see what wise advice this was. ‘It’s nice to be nice’, the old adage goes, but it’s a platitude generally trotted out when cajoling someone – almost certainly a woman – to put someone else’s comfort or interests before their own.

You can be as much of a people pleaser as you want: that’s if you even recognize that you are one considering the way this message is dripfed into females from our infancy. The trouble is, this doesn’t buy the liking or respect of others who won’t necessarily see you as a ‘nice’ person. Some will be out for what they can get and might even despise you as a pushover. Oddly enough, though, if you’ve ever been one of these (I’m a reformed people pleaser) and you somehow crack this habit, you frequently find people respond to you differently. Your own life becomes easier. Oddly enough, the ability to say ‘no’ and to stop caring what others think of me has actually had the reverse effect of making me less liked. And nowadays I don’t care about being thought a nice person, or find it essential for people to like me.

I’m no pushover. I don’t allow people to take liberties with me, although loved ones are permitted some. I don’t feel the need to be polite to men who are harassing me in public for example, and I'm quick and fairly ruthless when it comes to heading off unwanted contact. Equally, I’m not of an envious disposition. I don’t wish anybody ill. My friends are those I genuinely care for: I only want the best for them and I know the real meaning of friendship, love and loyalty.

But ‘nice?’ No. You can’t please everyone, and everyone won’t like you. Sometimes our lives are happier when we don’t try.

OneTC · 19/03/2023 17:33

I am wonderful and everybody loves me 😎

whumpthereitis · 19/03/2023 17:37

stinkfaceison · 19/03/2023 17:00

Karma

By saying this I meant what goes around comes around and yes its happened to me but I deserved it .

Consequences for your actions that may or may not be pleasant? Sure. The universe doling out retribution because you were mean that one time? Lol, no. That’s something that people tell themselves as means of comforting themselves because in truth, ‘good’ people can live thoroughly miserable lives and ‘bad’ people can prosper.

anyway, I’m not sure that’s even how karma is supposed to work. I thought it was accumulated through lifetimes?

gannett · 19/03/2023 17:45

The amount of posters admitting that they only care about their own nuclear family... well it explains a fucking lot, doesn't it.

I don't think of myself as a particularly nice person but I definitely care about society beyond my own little corner of it, and I'd consider it a huge moral failing if I just retreated into my (relatively!) affluent comfort without trying to make the world (and the most vulnerable people in it) a better place.

In my day-to-day life I suppose I'm polite enough, not judgmental unless you give me reason. But also low-key probably fairly arrogant and when I encounter bigotry I have to make a real effort to stop my vicious, and I suspect potentially violent, side from coming out.

Xrays · 19/03/2023 17:47

Surprised so many people believe in karma. I absolutely do not believe in karma. Read and watched too many things about serial killers and been unfortunate enough to be victim to too many arseholes to know that karma does not exist.

MovieQueen12 · 19/03/2023 18:04

Of course karma doesn't exist. I know a complete narcissist who earns six figures, has an adoring girlfriend even though he used to be a serial cheat, pretty good health despite his lifestyle of constant alcohol, lots of friends due to his outgoing and confident persona and he has even said himself he always comes out on top. Now people might think this might change when he is older. The guy is 60.....

Shodan · 19/03/2023 18:09

tunamayo81 · 19/03/2023 15:30

If you read the whole thread, read what that poster has written, then read the fact she thinks she’s completely normal and anyone who challenges her should be ignored, my comment was justified.

I don't need to read the whole thread, although I have.

I was commenting on that one statement of yours, which clearly gives the lie to your assertion that you're 'actually lovely'.

Lovely people aren't generally snide. In my experience.

ReneBumsWombats · 19/03/2023 18:14

Karma does exist. It just doesn't mean that everyone gets what they deserve. It's about your actions now shaping your future, and your present being shaped by your past actions.

MovieQueen12 · 19/03/2023 18:17

Still not buying that.
This guy I talked about has done loads of horrible things yet has a great life. His past certainly has not dictated his future.

Xrays · 19/03/2023 18:19

ReneBumsWombats · 19/03/2023 18:14

Karma does exist. It just doesn't mean that everyone gets what they deserve. It's about your actions now shaping your future, and your present being shaped by your past actions.

But that’s the same thing. And it really doesn’t. If you feel guilty about stuff you’ve done then it might hold you back or alter your choices but lots of horrible people simply do not give a fuck and will never have a negative or poorly shaped future because of it.

tunamayo81 · 19/03/2023 18:32

Shodan · 19/03/2023 18:09

I don't need to read the whole thread, although I have.

I was commenting on that one statement of yours, which clearly gives the lie to your assertion that you're 'actually lovely'.

Lovely people aren't generally snide. In my experience.

Good people still sometimes tell other people stuff they don’t want to hear. If you call that snide so be it.

ReneBumsWombats · 19/03/2023 18:40

Xrays · 19/03/2023 18:19

But that’s the same thing. And it really doesn’t. If you feel guilty about stuff you’ve done then it might hold you back or alter your choices but lots of horrible people simply do not give a fuck and will never have a negative or poorly shaped future because of it.

But that’s the same thing.

No, it really isn't.

Willowtre1 · 19/03/2023 19:05

I find it a really interesting question actually. I have a lot of empathy for mankind and feel so sad when I hear about a tragedy, or think about whole groups who are suffering. I would help and donate to charity and genuinely want to help. But one on one I think that particular person could be horrible, I don't know them why should I assume they are nice and worthy of help? I don't think I can express it well.

I also find other people baffling. A lot of my friends seem to live through phones, what's app and social media. They are incredibly 'nice' through these mediums, and do things like buy birthday presents for friends (like group together and buy something) and seem to almost out do each other with the levels of generosity. However we don't often actually see each other in real life. I feel like I'd rather have friends make an effort to speak, than receive a present but not spend much time together. There is a lot of gushing talk and sharing photos of DC. What purpose does it really serve?! People might perceive me as a bit reserved and not typically 'nice' outwardly, I'm not bubbly etc, but I seem to have a more rational idea of what being nice should manifest like in real life! I basically think a lot of people do things for performative reasons only. I do sometimes think you can never really know other people. This thread has definitely made me think twice about other people's capacity for real niceness!

Shodan · 19/03/2023 19:25

tunamayo81 · 19/03/2023 18:32

Good people still sometimes tell other people stuff they don’t want to hear. If you call that snide so be it.

😂Ok duckie.

You come across as judgemental and self-righteous. You are entitled to an opinion, of course, as are we all. But it is only that- an opinion. Not a fact.

You may well consider yourself good. I don't agree that you are as good as you believe yourself to be, based on how you come across here. That's my opinion of you.

Perhaps a little more introspection would be beneficial to you.

Alltheproductsnoidea · 19/03/2023 19:26

Great thread!

whumpthereitis · 19/03/2023 19:57

ReneBumsWombats · 19/03/2023 18:14

Karma does exist. It just doesn't mean that everyone gets what they deserve. It's about your actions now shaping your future, and your present being shaped by your past actions.

Is that karma, or actions having consequences?

If you take an action that massively fucks someone over but is extremely beneficial to you, and your future is, as a result, a happy one shaped by the rewards you have reaped, is that karma? Or does ‘karma’ only apply if the consequences are negative?