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Dd not getting ready to go out

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Itsmehiimtheproblemitsmee · 16/03/2023 10:48

Dd, 4 and a half drives me insane with the amount of time she takes to get ready. It’s stressful in the morning with having to get ready, her get ready, then to school then me straight to work. It’s rarely straightforward and easy, no matter what I try.
Today is a day off school, it’s sunny & bright and I said we could go to the cafe at the beach and have a coffee and ice cream. I was looking forward to it as I’m off work and had the day planned, that we’d go this morning and come back in the afternoon to do painting etc.
Dd was excited about it.
It’s 10.40 am and I’m sat fully dressed and ready and she’s in her pyjamas still.
I asked her to get ready before, I’d put her clothes out when I was getting ready, I came down and she was still playing and wasn’t dressed. I told her it was time to get dressed, she continued playing, it ended up with me getting cross and frustrated and her speaking rudely to me and me putting her for time out on the stairs.
When it was time to come down she asked if we were going for an ice cream and I said no, that she’s missed her chance and explained (lots) why. She’s now sat here and keeps asking why we can’t go for one and said sorry.
I used to be sure of myself as a mum, but not recently. I feel stressed all the time and like the nice day off has been ruined.
Did I do the right thing? What would you have done, where would you go from here? Just stay in?
Don’t know what I’m doing wrong, she’s such hard work and never was when younger.

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Sep200024 · 17/03/2023 07:56

Oh, god.

I can’t believe you thought a 4 year old would have a concept of time 🤦🏻‍♀️

Fromentandfruit876 · 17/03/2023 08:02

I think all of this is just a lot easier if, when dc are young, you get in to the “family rhythm” of everyone dressing before they come downstairs to breakfast tbh.
That’s what we always did as dc, so I carried it through when raising my dc.
It slips a bit during the teen period but generally it helps you get more out of your day and is a good discipline for school/work etc. I hardly ever saw my parents unless they were fully dressed looking back!

Having said that, op, I wouldn’t worry too much. Your dd is just starting to test boundaries. She’s intelligent and confident and it does take you by surprise when your previously easy going toddler suddenly develops opinions and has strong views about things. I always found four year olds way more difficult than toddlers! Please don’t lose confidence in your parenting.

The thing I have learnt most over my parenting years is that, within reason, it’s not the strategy itself that matters so much, it’s how you as a parent are feeling when you implement it. So if you feel stressed, guilty and uncertain, your dd will pick up on that and the situation will spiral in to negativity. But if you are calm, strong and feel good in “I mean it” sort of way, and you exude quiet confidence, that is the message that hits home. Especially if you implement it with a breezy positivity and use humour to diffuse any hitches along the way.

Best of luck to you.
Have confidence that your intentions are good, that you wanted her to get the most out of the day, and in order to do that, a bit of discipline is required.
She didn’t do it right first time but I would have still gone out (as you did) had the ice cream, and made it a positive experience,
albeit a shorter trip, and then on the way home say “you know next time if we do this, we can do x too if we start out earlier”.

It’s all about planting a positive seed and expectation for next time.

And if your child is quite mature and advanced and has strong opinions, and is trying to rule the roost (one of mine was like this!) the best way to deal with it is to give her lots of challenges and responsibilities. For example, we are luckily enough to live in the country and it is amazing what four year olds can do given the chance.

Around here they are supervised by adults, but they lead Shetland ponies, are given the responsibility to brush, water and feed them, and tack them up, pick out their feet, and it’s only the last two tasks they need help with. Just writing all that down to make the point that if they are testing boundaries at home, it’s a sign they are not being challenged enough in the outside world, and need to take on a bit more. That can be anything: climbing wall (bit young yet!), gymnastics, cooking, horse-riding, looking after an animal, but anything that involves a bit of controlled risk combined with responsibility is good.

waterrat · 17/03/2023 08:16

I think this may be a 'don't sweat the small stuff' moment.

4 year old wakes up and messes about on the saturday after a knackering week of getting up / being in a strict routine for school.

Does it matter? If it's you that is desperate for sunshine fresh air etc - then you pick her up and get her shoes on her feet for her!

But maybe just enjoy her playing - take a break for a cup of tea - and accept plans aren't as important to 4 year olds.

waterrat · 17/03/2023 08:18

You say she was easy when younger - children change all the time - and school is very very tiring. I have spent time in schools watching receptin classes - I think parents may think kids are playing all day - a lot of the day is being told what to do - sit here, do this, follow teacher, tidy up, listen etc.

It's absolutely exhausting for kids - and this gets worse sadly as they get older. Year 1 and 2 were the most exhausting for my kids - as the demands were so out of sync with what a small child wants/ actually desires to do with their day.

I would reduce demands/ expectations and stress at weekends while they are little but doing a lot in the week.

MultipleVeganPies · 17/03/2023 08:23

Big (but easy mistake) parents make:

you say you asked her to get ready

you don’t ASK kids things, unless you are equally happy with a yes and no answer, you TELL them things

tell her in a very friendly matter of fact way that she is now getting dressed

asking her, then getting upset and spoiling your own day is just too silly

with kids, even teens, you tell them what is going to happen. As you’re the adult.

if you ask a 4 or 5 year old anything, you may not like the answers 😁

bussteward · 17/03/2023 08:23

I can’t get DD dressed before breakfast as hunger is what wakes her up; by the time she’s taken off her pull-up and brushed her teeth, she’s full-on hangry. And I do prefer breakfast mess on PJs than clothes. But our rule is no TV/toys etc after breakfast: it’s getting dressed time first. So it can still work even if you go downstairs in pyjamas.

I find it also helps not to disappear to get ready yourself, leaving them to enter daydream playtime land that you later have to interrupt, but get ready with them: DD and I will race to be the first dressed, or she’ll be desperate to put clothes on if she sees me put on a jumper “grown-up style” and want to try it, or if I start doing my hair once dressed it prompts her to rush so she can have “hairstyles” once dressed instead of rat’s nest. She also gets a fake spritz of perfume from an empty bottle and pretends to put on deodorant and basically everything I do, except choose something sensible to wear on a cold day Hmm

Zanatdy · 17/03/2023 08:24

At 4 I just got mine dressed and didn’t leave them to it or they’d be all day, as you’ve found out. It’s get dressed time not playtime, I’d just reinforce that message and not wait until she decides she’s ready

Justalittlebitduckling · 17/03/2023 08:26

Did you tell her that she needs to go and get dressed now, because it’s time for ice cream;
, and that if she doesn’t go there won’t be any ice cream? Or was that a consequence you explained retrospectively? I think that makes a difference.

ClairDeLaLune · 17/03/2023 08:27

You’re using the stick approach and it’s not working and making both of you miserable.

Try the carrot approach instead. Can she tell the time? Buy a cute little timer, and it’s a sticker if she gets ready before the timer goes off. Make it fun - ooh will you get those clothes on before the timer goes off?! 5 in a week and it’s a little treat. Bribery all the way OP!

Lemonandorange · 17/03/2023 08:34

My almost 5 year old can't dress himself, I have to regularly chase him round the house just to get his socks and pants on, which he then takes off 30 seconds later. Cut her some slack, help her get dressed, make a game out of it if you can but also give yourself a break. You've been bashed a little bit harshly on this thread, try to ignore it, move on and try again tomorrow with your DD

LilylilyDaisy · 17/03/2023 08:39

I think it's great that you have good expectations of independence for her, ie expecting her to get dressed by herself when told. It will do her well for the future.

However

As a parent of 3, I have realised after a lot of learning and trial and error that these things are two steps forward, one step back. You won't be undoing all your good work if you sometimes have to stand over her and/or physically help her get dressed on occasion even if she can definitely do it by herself when she wants to. It's good to keep the independent skills running, but at the same time she's still so young. There's a lot of repetition as a parent and that means that skills they have mastered can still slide on occasion and you have to repeat them. You definitely have to pick your battles!

MiniEgg789 · 17/03/2023 08:42

Jesus, you can tell some people in this thread don't have a headstrong daughter. Mine is a just shy of 4 and I can completely emphasise with this. She does not like to be rushed and is very independent which when you're working to a deadline like school can be very frustrating. We still have many days like this the things that sometimes work for us is giving her more options, other than for school she gets her own clothes out and making it a race- can you get dressed faster than mummy or daddy etc. There's a few getting dressed songs and videos that we've used as a one off and work as a novelty. Agree though they have no concept of time or being late and that won't change until she's a bit older. It's easy to get frustrated but it doesn't help either of you and makes you both feel worse. Best advice I think I've ever had in live is if you can't change the situation change your attitude towards it. Hang in there's easier days in sight ( I hope 🤣)

ShirleyPhallus · 17/03/2023 08:49

christ what an awful thread. OP posts asking for help and page after page telling her what a crap parent she is.

nice place this is sometimes

Regularsizedrudy · 17/03/2023 08:59

I think you expectations of a four year old are very unrealistic.

she has no concept of time. You are the adult. You get her ready.

DrBlackbird · 17/03/2023 09:01

This reminds me of how long it took my DC to get dressed at that age.

One of the tips I had read was that parents can use magical thinking to help. So one morning I told her that Peter Pan wanted her to wear x outfit (having recently watched the film). Any chance that worked? Nope. Not a chance. Instead the usual battle.

The next day, DC gets themselves dressed. Runs out all pleased and announces ‘Peter Pan wanted me to wear this" 🤦🏻‍♀️

MyDogStoodOnABee · 17/03/2023 10:10

Do you not help her to wash and clean teeth? She’s 4 and expected to just go get dressed?

Itsmehiimtheproblemitsmee · 17/03/2023 10:16

@MyDogStoodOnABee She can brush her teeth on her own 🤷🏻‍♀️Has done for ages now, she does it well, I brush mine at the same time with her in the bathroom, I don’t have to brush her teeth for her. Am I missing something here? She’s almost 5 😬

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Itsmehiimtheproblemitsmee · 17/03/2023 10:17

@MyDogStoodOnABee No, she’s not expected to just go and get dressed, I bring down the clothes for her, sit next to her if she needs any help, she often doesn’t want help as I said above and she gets dressed 🤷🏻‍♀️

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thereshewasshewasjustthesame · 17/03/2023 10:57

How do you manage school OP? You must do something different on those days to get her out the door on time?

Itsmehiimtheproblemitsmee · 17/03/2023 11:01

@thereshewasshewasjustthesame It’s a stressful rush and we’re often a bit late

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MyDogStoodOnABee · 17/03/2023 11:27

Itsmehiimtheproblemitsmee · 17/03/2023 10:16

@MyDogStoodOnABee She can brush her teeth on her own 🤷🏻‍♀️Has done for ages now, she does it well, I brush mine at the same time with her in the bathroom, I don’t have to brush her teeth for her. Am I missing something here? She’s almost 5 😬

Missing a wash by the sounds of it! I would always watch/assist and make sure mine were washed, teeth cleaned and dressed, small effort for 5 minutes and saves all the drama and cancelled plans. That way it fit my timescale and not the dilly dally 4 year old daydreamer with no concept of time. Sounds like you could step up and manage the situation but can’t be bothered. 🤷‍♀️

Itsmehiimtheproblemitsmee · 17/03/2023 11:32

@MyDogStoodOnABee Ffs, did you just read my post?! How am I not managing the situation? I just said we go up together to brush our teeth together, but I don’t hold the brush for her as she’s almost 5 and a brilliant, capable girl. Yes, we also wash our faces too!

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Hey12345 · 17/03/2023 11:38

Itsmehiimtheproblemitsmee · 16/03/2023 21:03

@Hey12345 I had said to her that we needed to go out anyway as we needed to get dog food and a few other bits. Once things had calmed and we were talking and she was ready, I asked her if she could help me with a few things (she likes doing this anyway) and then I might consider going to the cafe after we’ve done our errands etc. It’s true, I don’t ever usually go back on something once I’ve said it, but some posters here advised not missing the day and doing it this way, also I thought maybe I’d been too harsh and this also had been something she’d been looking forward to (and me also)
We ended up having a nice day and I just have to think of tomorrow as a new day and think hard about changing my approach, which I keep trying to do

@Itsmehiimtheproblemitsmee

I’m glad you ended up having a good day anyway. And that she was rewarded for helping you otherwise rather than because of guilt or that it was an empty threat. Children need boundaries otherwise they’ll control us, they’re too clever sometimes 😂

Believe me I’ve been tested at times, and it always seems to be when I want to try and be the “no stress, take your time” parent and let her do what she wants like DH tells me to be sometimes, but DD takes the p*#s when I do! So I find being firm and sticking to my words works best!

thereshewasshewasjustthesame · 17/03/2023 11:52

Itsmehiimtheproblemitsmee · 17/03/2023 11:01

@thereshewasshewasjustthesame It’s a stressful rush and we’re often a bit late

I can imagine the stress of that is hard on you and the lateness isn't ideal.

Goalhappy · 17/03/2023 13:04

what works for my 4 year old is we agree a place for him to stop playing, for example if he’s playing with cars ‘I’ll say okay find a place for your cars to park now it’s time to get dressed’ and give him a minute. He’ll happily do that as it gives him a little control/ time to process that playing is ending and enjoys that it’s a bit of a game.

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