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How much responsibility do you feel to look after parents in old age?

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myusernamed · 15/03/2023 07:11

As the title says.

Do your parents talk about when they are old and what they might expect from you in terms of looking after them?

Do you feel a sense of responsibility for looking after them in old age?

There is only me and my sister and she now lives a few hours away. I automatically feel as though I will be responsible for sorting stuff out.

Father often says he will never go into a home - like it's up to me to make sure that doesn't happen.

Does anyone else feel this expectation?

OP posts:
Elphame · 15/03/2023 21:35

Really not as simple as that. When I was an older adults social worker many older people were just terrified of care homes due to their perception of them which dated from the 60s and 70s...

I have a PAT dog and we visit care homes - or we did before Covid hit. I also specialised in long term care funding for care homes when I was working so I've also visited clients in them many times across a wide area.

The gulf between good and bad is can be vast and I've left one in tears after seeing where my client was now living ( not that she ever knew that). Of the three nearest me, 2 are "requires improvement" on their CQC and the third is rated inadequate and unsafe.

iwishiwasonacruise · 15/03/2023 21:37

I will start this post by saying that my mum died suddenly and unexpectedly last week, she was 77 with no diagnosis of anything, and I am still in absolute shock about what has happened. But this post is very relevant to me.

My mum had been plagued by depression and anxiety all of her adult life. About 5 years ago and following a knee replacement, everything seemed to take a downwards turn. My mum was divorced and lived alone. I live one minute from my mum with my husband and two school age children. I have two jobs. My brothers and their families both live 45 mins away. Everything to do with mum was in my lap. I won't go into the whole story, but over the course of 5 years I took my mum to SO many doctors about her mood (none of the depression meds seemed to work anymore) and memory initially. We got fobbed off at every turn. Following a collapse at home 18 months ago mum was eventually referred to the memory clinic and discharged with a care package, because her mobiltlity had also deteriorated. Since then things went from bad to worse. Still I was practically begging the doctors to please diagnose mum with something so she could be helped. They were absolutely useless every step of the way. Referrals weren't made, appts weren't kept, I could go on... Along with having to worry about providing the care, getting a diagnosis of anything is 90% of the problem.

In a nutshell, the last 4 months of mums life were so sad. She was frustrated, I was frustrated. The carers did the basic care, washing, dressing and meals, but I did everything else. Appointments, shopping, toileting and personal care in between carers visits, admin, phone calls, trips to a&e after falls, calls in the night for the loo or she just needed me for something. Mum became very needy. Sometimes it could be difficult to reason with her about certain things, but I didn't want to take all of her decisions away from her. It had got to the point where mum couldn't get up without falling over so she was really bound to her chair unless someone was there.

She had moved downstairs. It was unrealistic for mum to live with us as I fully expected her to live to 90 like my nan did, and my family just couldn't put our lives competely on hold indefinitely. She did not want to go into a care home, so I felt like I couldn't do that to her.

I took every problem off her plate, but her anxiety created small ones that were so silly, and often frustrating. I was so worried about what the future held. I honestly didn't know what the next 6 months would have entailed. My mum became so, so frail before my eyes. My mum wasn't safe to be at home but adamantly didnt want to be anywhere else. It was so hard. I got to the point where I was scared to go anywhere in case she called, I dreaded a phone call saying she'd fallen again.

Other people visited, but everyone decision was down to me, and every commitment I made revolved around my mum more recently. I didn't resent it, my mum was an amazing person and a wonderful mum, she loved me unconditionally, and I loved her so much too, but it was so hard to juggle everything and not to completely abandon my family to tend to mum. It was hard not to get frustrated, it was sometimes hard to do things I didn't want to be doing with a smile on my face. And now I feel so terribly guilty for everytime she knew I was huffing and puffing about something.

I was petrified everytime I left her at home alone. One month ago the memory clinic decided she probably had Parkinson's. She was due to go for a scan on the day she died. We never got there. Mum died with me holding her hand after me performing CPR until an ambulance arrived. She died because of a massive blood clot in her lungs. No symptoms so undiagnosed.

My life is competely upside down now. She should have been given help such a long time ago. It's all so sad and frustrating. All of this needs to be taken into consideration if you are having conversations with people about proving care in their later life... until you have provided this kind of care and taken on this level of responsibility, you have absolutely no idea how difficult, hard to juggle and mentally draining it can be :(

Mumof3teenagers · 15/03/2023 21:37

I have NC with DF, so I don’t feel any responsibility towards him. DM, I would like to care for her as long as I can. She’s early 70’s but in great health presently but I’m aware things can change quickly. She’s been so good to me, if like to be able to look after her.

DH cares for his DP’s. Both in 80’s and still living together but things are getting complicated as they older and need a lot of help and assistance. He’s great with them but other siblings are not that interested and not very hands on. It upsets me that everything is left to DH.

journeyofsanity · 15/03/2023 21:40

BreadwinneBaker · 15/03/2023 07:29

In my experience, the ones who say "you cannot put me in a home, I expect you to care" are the ones who have been terrible to uninterested care givers themselves.

The ones saying that they want children to live their own lives and not have the physical and emotional toll (if they even have space/time around full-time work or a home that could accommodate or they rarely Live close still)... They've been the better parents.

True in my family. In laws. Friends. Colleagues.

Clear pattern.

My late mother didn't want to be put in a home. A more loving and giving parent has never existed. Sorry you had the experience you had but it's just that. Your experience. Not one shared by everyone else

journeyofsanity · 15/03/2023 21:44

shrunkenhead · 15/03/2023 07:35

This is something I've been thinking about a lot lately as my parents are getting older. I live hundreds of miles away, work full time and have children (and a husband). Am I expected to give up work and move back in with them when they can no longer look after themselves???? I can't afford to give up work as we need two incomes to pay the mortgage and bills. I have a sibling who lives closer but feel the burden will still fall on me.
The alternative is carers or a home which I know they wouldn't be happy about. Also who pays for it all? I couldn't afford it and they seem to think the house will go to me and my sister when they die (so no plans of selling it to pay for their care if needed prior to dying) and know they're probably expecting to leave us their savings too.
So watching this thread with interest.

Regardless of what your parents want, if they have assets over the threshold of around £23k (going up to 100k in 2025 and/or you have property, you are expected to pay fir care you will be offered deferred payment which means the amount owed will be paid from their estate when they die.

SoHereWeGo · 15/03/2023 21:44

iwishiwasonacruise · 15/03/2023 21:37

I will start this post by saying that my mum died suddenly and unexpectedly last week, she was 77 with no diagnosis of anything, and I am still in absolute shock about what has happened. But this post is very relevant to me.

My mum had been plagued by depression and anxiety all of her adult life. About 5 years ago and following a knee replacement, everything seemed to take a downwards turn. My mum was divorced and lived alone. I live one minute from my mum with my husband and two school age children. I have two jobs. My brothers and their families both live 45 mins away. Everything to do with mum was in my lap. I won't go into the whole story, but over the course of 5 years I took my mum to SO many doctors about her mood (none of the depression meds seemed to work anymore) and memory initially. We got fobbed off at every turn. Following a collapse at home 18 months ago mum was eventually referred to the memory clinic and discharged with a care package, because her mobiltlity had also deteriorated. Since then things went from bad to worse. Still I was practically begging the doctors to please diagnose mum with something so she could be helped. They were absolutely useless every step of the way. Referrals weren't made, appts weren't kept, I could go on... Along with having to worry about providing the care, getting a diagnosis of anything is 90% of the problem.

In a nutshell, the last 4 months of mums life were so sad. She was frustrated, I was frustrated. The carers did the basic care, washing, dressing and meals, but I did everything else. Appointments, shopping, toileting and personal care in between carers visits, admin, phone calls, trips to a&e after falls, calls in the night for the loo or she just needed me for something. Mum became very needy. Sometimes it could be difficult to reason with her about certain things, but I didn't want to take all of her decisions away from her. It had got to the point where mum couldn't get up without falling over so she was really bound to her chair unless someone was there.

She had moved downstairs. It was unrealistic for mum to live with us as I fully expected her to live to 90 like my nan did, and my family just couldn't put our lives competely on hold indefinitely. She did not want to go into a care home, so I felt like I couldn't do that to her.

I took every problem off her plate, but her anxiety created small ones that were so silly, and often frustrating. I was so worried about what the future held. I honestly didn't know what the next 6 months would have entailed. My mum became so, so frail before my eyes. My mum wasn't safe to be at home but adamantly didnt want to be anywhere else. It was so hard. I got to the point where I was scared to go anywhere in case she called, I dreaded a phone call saying she'd fallen again.

Other people visited, but everyone decision was down to me, and every commitment I made revolved around my mum more recently. I didn't resent it, my mum was an amazing person and a wonderful mum, she loved me unconditionally, and I loved her so much too, but it was so hard to juggle everything and not to completely abandon my family to tend to mum. It was hard not to get frustrated, it was sometimes hard to do things I didn't want to be doing with a smile on my face. And now I feel so terribly guilty for everytime she knew I was huffing and puffing about something.

I was petrified everytime I left her at home alone. One month ago the memory clinic decided she probably had Parkinson's. She was due to go for a scan on the day she died. We never got there. Mum died with me holding her hand after me performing CPR until an ambulance arrived. She died because of a massive blood clot in her lungs. No symptoms so undiagnosed.

My life is competely upside down now. She should have been given help such a long time ago. It's all so sad and frustrating. All of this needs to be taken into consideration if you are having conversations with people about proving care in their later life... until you have provided this kind of care and taken on this level of responsibility, you have absolutely no idea how difficult, hard to juggle and mentally draining it can be :(

I am so sorry for your loss.

journeyofsanity · 15/03/2023 21:48

Allblackeverythingalways · 15/03/2023 07:44

Dad, zero.
He was a feckless twat and has put me down as NOK because my brother is NC. He's in for a shock quite frankly.
Mum, minimal. I had a shitty, neglectful childhood. I'll not be supporting in her second childhood.
They don't deserve my care.

Amazes me that people don't see the irony. They condemn their parents for being awful and not giving care. So they respond by being awful and not giving care. If it was shitty and immoral behaviour then then it's shitty and immoral behaviour now. Behaviour is what it is.

journeyofsanity · 15/03/2023 21:51

mexicanabanana · 15/03/2023 07:49

None! Your reap what you sow. I was too young to feed, wash myself, they’ll be too old. I take good care of my elderly PILs though. Apparently my DH had a blessed childhood, so I am happy to help them when they need it.

You do indeed reap what you sow. If you have dc you will be setting the example of how to treat one's parents in old age.

DawntilDusk4 · 15/03/2023 21:55

If I’m around I will help if I’m not I can’t. I believe in Euthanasia so I’ll make sure I’m living near somewhere it is legal when the time comes for me. I categorically don’t want my children looking after me ever. I hate that I can’t plan my own death the way I want it in this country.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 15/03/2023 21:58

Not only felt it -lived it! It is like a gam of chicken, the more heartless you are, the more you get away with not doing anything.

iwishiwasonacruise · 15/03/2023 22:00

I meant to add that this type of caregiving can also change the relationship between you. With the best will in the world, nobody is patient 100% of the time, and I was no saint at times. I also feel sadness that my mum probably thought I wasn't making time for the "nice vists", but it wasn't that at all... after juggling everything else that needed doing, along with my own life, there wasn't much time for the nice long sociable visits that my mum would have liked from me, there simply wasn't enough hours in the day. Everyone else that just visited got the benefit of the "quality time" and for that I also feel sad. Obviously there was some time for it, but not as much as my mum was craving :( just so difficult for all involved.

TrappedDaisy · 15/03/2023 22:01

Op your Dad says to never put him in a home. It's not like family always has a choice. My Mum has MS and its been getting worse over the last couple of years. She had a bad fall last month and ended up in hospital. They decided to move her to a care home as a step down bed, for rehab. There was no choice in the matter. They told me she might have to go into permanent care, but now theyre going to put a care package in place for her to get home.

I've already been looking after her for years. It wasn't always the best relationship, a lot of stuff I've put up with over the years, I wouldn't put up with from a partner. I would've walked years ago if I'd had the money. And because she has nobody else, I have to do it. Hopefully when the care package is in place, I can start to build a life for myself

reddwarfgeek · 15/03/2023 22:02

Not a great deal. My parents don't expect much from me or vice versa, and it's never really been discussed.

I think I know how it'll pan out though. My DF will die first (he's 10 years older than DM) and DB (ex addict) will move in with her to live rent free and I'll end up looking after the pair of them.

jhiyp96676y · 15/03/2023 22:08

@AcrossthePond55 we've offered for BIL to move in with us but he is terrified that if he leaves something terrible will happen to them. One of them is bedbound and the other is not mentally capable. They have carers but it's just an impossible situation and sadly can go on for years. But am also concerned that eventually he will snap and does something awful to himself or them. But they are stuck in a terrible dance - where they beg for him and he feels too guilty, neither will change anything. DH goes there every week to relieve BIL and give him respite care for a day or two but without physically moving one, both or all three out - I have no idea what to do about it.

TheHateIsNotGood · 15/03/2023 22:11

It becomes an instinctive thing, at least it was for me - when push came to shove - when my parents really needed me I was there. Neither were the greatest of parents but they were only human just like me.

The only people that didn't want me around were spouses and siblings that were more keen on the 'spoils', I left them to it and carried on looking after my parents and years later I'm glad I did.

myusernamed · 15/03/2023 22:18

@iwishiwasonacruise

Thank you for sharing that.

Sorry for your loss.

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Blossomtoes · 15/03/2023 22:39

So sorry @iwishiwasonacruise 💐

There are some deeply loving and selfless women here.

housemaus · 15/03/2023 23:01

I saw my mum have a nervous breakdown caring for her mum and she has begged me not to try and do the same for her - I don't know if she'll feel the same when she's old.

So I don't feel obligated at all, but think up to a certain point I'd do what I could. For various reasons I'm unlikely to be living close by when my mum (hopefully) reaches a typical age to need some kind of care, so that'll complicate things too - I can say now that I wouldn't move back and nor would she want me to, but who knows in 25 years whether that'll still be true.

I will definitely be the one doing all the administrative stuff and probably financial support if needed because my sister is useless on both counts.

My dad and I have never discussed it and he lives a fair distance away, somewhere I don't want to live and he wouldn't move. However, he's got a very long term partner who is a fair bit younger, so if they're still together and she's healthy I'd guess she would end up doing more? I don't know, though.

housemaus · 15/03/2023 23:07

journeyofsanity · 15/03/2023 21:48

Amazes me that people don't see the irony. They condemn their parents for being awful and not giving care. So they respond by being awful and not giving care. If it was shitty and immoral behaviour then then it's shitty and immoral behaviour now. Behaviour is what it is.

There's an expectation, and a legal obligation, for parents to provide a reasonable standard of care for their children, though. It is objectively immoral to neglect your child regardless of your culture or background - even the word neglect suggests failure to meet a duty you are required to do.

There isn't a requirement to care for your parents in old age in the same universal way. In some cultures it's widespread but there are plenty where it's not. And there's no legal obligation to do so.

I don't think OP not wanting to provide nice-to-have-but-isn't-universally-expected-or-legally-required care for her parents is anywhere near shitty or immoral considering they didn't even do the required part of their role.

ChestnutGrove · 15/03/2023 23:12

journeyofsanity · 15/03/2023 21:51

You do indeed reap what you sow. If you have dc you will be setting the example of how to treat one's parents in old age.

She'll be setting the example that you give back to parents and in laws. In the case of the in laws that'll be care and kindness like her dh received, in the case of her parents that'll be nothing!

ChestnutGrove · 15/03/2023 23:18

I think it would be quite damaging to mental health to have to provide care to someone who abused or neglected them as a child.

Enthrallingstoryofstillnessandlight · 15/03/2023 23:45

journeyofsanity · 15/03/2023 21:48

Amazes me that people don't see the irony. They condemn their parents for being awful and not giving care. So they respond by being awful and not giving care. If it was shitty and immoral behaviour then then it's shitty and immoral behaviour now. Behaviour is what it is.

Don't agree at all. No one is under any obligation to care for someone who neglected or didn't care properly for them as a child. I can't believe you could possibly think otherwise quite honestly, you reap what you sow as others have said.

AcrossthePond55 · 15/03/2023 23:53

jhiyp96676y · 15/03/2023 22:08

@AcrossthePond55 we've offered for BIL to move in with us but he is terrified that if he leaves something terrible will happen to them. One of them is bedbound and the other is not mentally capable. They have carers but it's just an impossible situation and sadly can go on for years. But am also concerned that eventually he will snap and does something awful to himself or them. But they are stuck in a terrible dance - where they beg for him and he feels too guilty, neither will change anything. DH goes there every week to relieve BIL and give him respite care for a day or two but without physically moving one, both or all three out - I have no idea what to do about it.

Oh that is just so so sad! I really feel for your BiL (and you too of course).

Do you think it might help BiL if he either joined a support group for caregivers or possibly got counseling? I hear you about the fear of him 'snapping', it's a real fear that can't be discounted. My DBro who moved in to 'care take' our mum is a recovering alcoholic and my worry about him relapsing was constant. Luckily, he was open and honest and when he needed to 'decompress' he wasn't afraid to ask for help. And our mum was 'docile' for the most part so there weren't the tensions your BiL & PiLs seem to have.

There's no agency that can come in, do an evaluation, and say that your PiLs need a level of care that needs a care home and legally 'force' it? Especially if your BiL can get to a place where he can say he's no longer able to care for them due to mental health. We were very lucky in that when it came to having to find memory care for Mum we told her that she needed more than DBro could give so would need to go to an assisted living, her delusional mind 'translated' that to 'I'm going on holiday'. Thank God.

nokidshere · 15/03/2023 23:53

I've taught my children that we are under no obligation to 'give back' anything to people who have used and abused even if they are the parents.

I wouldn't care for my own parents at all but I happily cared for my loving, kind and caring MIL.

JimnJoyce · 16/03/2023 00:39

my parents live abroad, all I know is my mum wants to go first.

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