To applaud Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer and Ian Wright, and think Suella Braverman is looking like a fool for not even understanding the comment

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Lineker called the immigration policy cruel, and compared the language and attitude of the government to 1930s Germany.

I hundred percent agree with him

Braverman started denying that anything that is happening in UK is comparable to the holocaust

She is spectacularly missing the point. The holocaust didn't happen in the 1930s

What happened in the 1930s was the slow and steady build up of racism and aggression and hate, that resulted in the holocaust in the 1940s

And the noises coming out of the government are very much like 1930s nazis

For those of you that don't have any interest in Match of the Day, Gary Lineker, the main presenter, has been suspended, in spite of being a sports commentator, and NOT a news reader or involved in current affairs programming, and NOT bound by the impartiality clause, and his two top fellow presenters have refused to appear without him

So either the BBC bosses (tory appointees) have scored a spectacular own goal,(unintended pun) in trying to supress Lineker's opinions, and turning them into world wide headlines,

OR!

Maybe they are secretly working against the government by choosing a course of action that will actually make the tories look like complete fools, while pretending to support them!

The government has already stated that the modern slavery act won't apply to boat migrants so I fear you are right.

Supporting what?

“But I don’t think the average person struggling to access their GP service or watching another green space disappear for housing thinks that more and more people entering the country is positive.“

But people entering are actually small in real terms and our NHS and other services should be able to cope with it. Everything is broken and has been run into the ground and mismanaged by the Tories everywhere( not just the few places highly impacted by refugees who could be made as a priority for services). They have been in power for some time so as they have nowhere else to go they are using refugees as scapegoats just like Germany did in the 1930s which gets us back to the legitimate facts GL mentioned on social media.

But they’re not adequately resourced are they? And won’t be any time soon. So how does adding an extra 30,000 people a year do anything apart from overburden our services further? You can’t get away from the fact we have finite space and finite housing. We can’t just keep bulldozing green spaces and throwing up cheap housing as the ‘solution’ while simultaneously complaining about the environment, lack of green spaces, and flooding.

This is all an absolutely mad idea - for our public services, for women, for social cohesion, for the environment. None of you give a shit, or will really address any of this, ‘cos let’s stick it to the Tories’. Who are a bunch of thieving arseholes, but you’re all prepared to cut your own nose (or rather the noses of working class people living in Kent) off to spite your face.

Clapping Lineker on your doorstep will do nothing, do you think Braverman and her ilk will give a shit? It’ll just throw further petrol on the culture war she’s hoping to ignite. So if you want to help her along 🤷🏼‍♀️

Fucking madness. Thought MN was a bit brighter than this.

Apparently GL only had refugees for a month or two. And I don’t imagine he shared toileting facilities with them like someone in a 3 bed semi.
MPs do have constuencies and have to hear from or speak in person to the ‘plebs’.

I can do that !

I listened very carefully to the Prime Minister at PMQs this week and what he said was that the modern slavery system would not be open to them, which I think means that Rishi won't allow people trafficked in this way to become modern slaves, which is surely a good thing?

@Moonicorn absolutely spot on! The hatred of the Tories on MN is greater than any concerns for the welfare of the British population!

My MP refuses to meet with anyone who is doesn't agree with, and has spent as long this year overseas as he has in the constituency. But then he is convinced he is the represtantive in parliament for Riyadh and Moscow.

Fantastic. The antidote to Cutnpastenova is here.

I think you may have got your words in slightly the wrong order.

The hatred of this Tory Government for the British population is greater than the Tories concerns about their own welfare and power.

Totally agree OP.

Facism is rising in most countries, as WW2 fades from living memory, the extreme examples are the changes in how the governments of Russia and China behave, but you can also observe the change in most other countries including our own. And it’s scary as hell.

For anyone interested: Braverman is not bright. DB has had some professional contact with her and was shocked how little she knows about the law or anything else, she’s a politician, not a thinker or a problem-solver.

But people entering are actually small in real terms and our NHS and other services should be able to cope with it.

God this gave me a hollow laugh, ‘should be able to cope with it’, spoken like a true Tory there. ‘Should’ is meaningless, will it?

And it’s a ‘small number’ but the equivalent of adding a town the size of Salisbury every year. Over 10 years that a third of a million people. Over 30 years an extra million.

We simply do not have the space even if we magicked up the money, resources and staff.

We are the most densely populated European country after city states and small islands like Vatican City, Monaco, Malta and Jersey. Only the Netherlands is relatively comparable. Does that not worry you, at all?

"Has Gary Lineker deleted his controversial tweet? Alan Sugar deleted his. Did the BBC receive an official complaint about Alan Sugar's tweet?"

I looked up Sugar deleted tweet and honestly had pages of stuff Sugar has had to delete - pictures of Corbyn in a car with Hitler, Covid conspiracies, a racist tweet about Senegal football team, a tweet about the Responder, the list goes on and on.

But I can't find a mention of him deleting this one though -

"I seriously back @BorisJohnson to be the new PM . The public like him and he will have a good chance of winning the general election in 2021 if not before. Any one who can stop @jeremycorbyn from becoming PM has my backing ."

twitter.com/lord_sugar/status/1139479990955851776?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Can you tell me when he deleted it?

And all the while Antartica did not take a single migrant last year. Disgusting.

It's self learning, don't forget.

I haven't yet caught it lying, but it has the capability - a lot depends on the feedback it receives (you'll see the up/down to "rate" answers).

This is, of course, the public model. If you can find a server farm with enough grunt you could host and train your own. With some clever engineering you could heat your stables with the heat run off.

The only glimmer in the future will be the knowledge pool has already been pissed in, and anyone who blindly uses these things will probably do the equivalent of following a sat nav off a cliff.

“welfare of the British population!”
what a joke.

Yada, yada heard it all before pre Brexit. It’s bullshit. Tories only care about their rich friends end of. They’ve had time to show otherwise and instead illustrate their priorities over and again.

We have no dentists or mental health provision. Schools are on their knees and our whole NHS is on its way itout.They’re blocking the hoi pilloi from green spaces,do nothing to help those struggling with the cost of living…( feel free to add). All they do is give contracts to rich friends.

They do not care about the welfare of the British population. Most people know that know. Treating human beings inhumanely does not translate to caring about the welfare of the British population. Sorting the shit they’ve caused does but they won’t because it goes against their back benchers and their own pockets. You get what you vote for. If we want a party that cares about the British population we need to vote another party in.

jetadore
Years of austerity

Guardian March 2010;
Alistair Darling admitted that Labour's planned cuts in public spending will be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s, as the country's leading experts on tax and spending warned that Britain faces "two parliaments of pain" to repair the black hole in the state's finances.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said hefty tax rises and Whitehall spending cuts of 25% were in prospect during the six-year squeeze lasting until 2017...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher

Not only that, but any brexit voters would have been placed in stocks and pelted with turnips. This place is very one-sided on some issues.

The graph attached showed asylum applications per country. You need to show a graph with how many asylum applications are accepted per country. Most countries reject a huge percentage of their asylum applications.

It is. The only people these posters are ‘sticking’ with their support of uncontrolled ‘refugee’ immigration, are the working class people that they pretend to care about on other threads who will face further overburdened services and harassed local women.

The Tories won’t give a fuck. Win votes in the culture war, more cheap immigrant labour if they do come here. Increase in population won’t affect them - they can afford private health care, schooling and to live in lovely leafy areas with no HMOs or refugee ‘hotels’.

The fact posters think filling the country with refugees will ‘stick it’ to them is so laughable it’s almost endearing. It’s playing straight into their hands while punishing poorer people already in the U.K. from all backgrounds.

Not to mention that the ultimate price will be paid by women, in both the U.K. and Afghanistan.

I could cry at the stupidity I really could. Like people waving LGBT rainbow flags and talking about ‘trans children’ - so ‘down with the cause’ they can’t see the cause is fucking madness.

Well it would depend on his contract as to whether he has the right to comment. I don’t have an impartiality clause in my work contract however I do have a clause that requires me to act a certain way on social media. If I decided to be arrogant enough to ignore that then I’d have to live with the potential of my contract being terminated.

As to how much I do to support refugees? I’m sure far less that Gary. But then I don’t have the same access to funds that Gary has. I’ll be honest if I were a millionaire refugees probably wouldn’t be my niche charity. There are many, many other causes which are screaming out for help but sadly get zero sunshine as they’re just not as topical.

too easy

Well known lefty -

"Former refugees minister Tory peer Lord Harrington tells me:

• for Govt to take "moral high ground" legal asylum routes must exist

• Braverman's words "not language I'd have chosen".

• "Quite realistic" to say we can absorb 40k refugees a year."

twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1633431721566765056?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

I think the Government deliberately under resourced the Home Office and now intends to use the failure of the Home Office as political capital.

How many Home Secs have we had in 13 years? 5/6/7?

All failed and now want to pretend they can fix their own mess.

I don’t think threads like this one on mn do reflect public opinion

Britons tend to hold a positive view of some types of immigration. By 39% to 30% the public have a positive view of those moving to the UK looking for work, while by 38% to 24% they have a favourable opinion of those relocating from other countries to settle here with their families.

However, when it comes to those refugees taking the perilous journey across the Channel, a majority (55%) hold a negative view, with fewer than one in five (19%) holding a positive view.

I was looking for something else but found the above. Loads on there re how many Syrian refugees we should take, whether immigration has been too high and whether Gary Linekar took a refugee as a publicity stunt (majority did)

So whether people agree or not with above I wouldn’t rely on mn for overall picture and the voting pressure is there