To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

That Keir Starmer doesn’t know what a woman is.
Darlington taxi driver interview. A very weak leader.

The fact that they tolerated Corbyn for so long and normalised his thinking process.

The fact that they are anti business.

The fact that they will make landlords lives an utter misery when the country needs private landlords desperately.

I don't want to vote Tory either as they are appalling but in different ways and possible ways I may find more tolerable. If only there was a viable alternative.

The way women are treated and TWAW.

I’ve always voted Labour. Even through difficult times (including the Corbyn era when shouty Momentum blokes totally took over my CLP and were aggressive, misogynistic twats who wouldn’t let others speak).

It is with a heavy heart that I will not vote in the next GE. I will not vote Tory, but I CANNOT vote for Labour, LD, Green or any party that cannot tell me what a woman is and won’t protect children against loopy, dangerous gender ideology and queer theory.

That’s the bottom line. It’s the hill I will die on.

I've voted all over the place in the past but would struggle to vote for Labour now, summed up in two words:

Identity nonsense.

I suspect I’ll spoil my ballot. I couldn’t vote Tory, what Johnson and his cronies did to the country was cynical asset-stripping to feather their own nests.

Many people who claim benefits also work.

I don’t know what the tories are doing to stop the cost of living crisis, housing crisis, low wages, childcare costs etc that would mean working people could afford to live without benefits.

Also for those talking about saving money - the Tory government tried to save money by limiting spending on processing asylum claims. That’s led to an even more expensive backlog. Sometimes short term spending makes long term savings.

Their refusal to reverse Brexit

but honestly at the moment I dont have any party I feel confident voting for.

I think that's a common issue - and somehow it is worse usual of pick the least worst option - they all look really bad so it's much harder.

Given how shit this government as been and how long in power Labour should be a shoo-in but they don't seem like it.

Labour have been ridiculous on women's rights and they show very little leadership on any issue.
I will probably vote Labour anyway, realistically as overall the least worst option.

Several hundred thousand dead Iraqis.

Unforgivable.

Corbyn isn't even in the Labour party.

They aren't anti business, it was Boris that said "Fuck Business" and Starmer who got a very good reception at the CBI.

The country needs social housing, not more parasite BTL's, exploiting tenants, who then need working benefits to afford to live, which tax payers pay for.

But Labour are not offering the vision i want for the UK, not even close.

What a state we're in. Even my 87yo DF, who has never not voted Tory, thinks the country is going to the dogs.

At most GE's my vote won't make a difference anyway because I'm in a safe Tory seat. But my MP is Nadine Dorries. She won't stand at the next GE, and even worse, her place might be taken by Johnson if the polls in Uxbridge stay as bad as they are now, or he gets deselected after a recall petition. The local electorate who would vote for anything in a blue rosette will wet their pants with excitement at the prospect of getting Johnson. This is a largely rural area and it will end up buried under concrete and untreated sewage if the growth-at-any-cost Tories aren't stopped.

TWAW means I will never vote Labour until they knock that shit off.

I KNOW Corbyn is no longer in the Labour Party. It was the fact that they all just nodded along with him for so long that makes me concerned about them fundamentally.

As for the rest. It's all just talk. If they got in, there would be carnage. Whether it would be worse than what we have though is another thing but, broadly, I doubt it although I suspect it would be marginal.

The purpose of the Labour Party in and of itself, has gone. I would love to see KS recreate it in a way that it could work for the people. I suspect the people earning the money would be hammered though.

Kier Starmer - the man who criticises constantly but doesn’t seem to have a costed well explained plan of his own other than to make the broad shouldered pay for everyone else . I worry what will happen if hard work and aspiration doesn’t reward. I want to see a massive investment in the education of our children and some real emphasis on protecting the planet

I don’t want to vote Tory either , I’ve mostly voted Lib Dem over the last 30 years but that feels like a wasted vote

who knows .. but I will not be spoiling my ballot paper - what good does that do apart from silence me

The TWAW stuff. The refusal to let voters know their standing on any issue without it devolving into a rant about the tories. I email our Labour MP often about local issues and rarely get a competent response.

There is nothing - nothing - to suggest they will improve anything in this country. They will only make things more difficult and dangerous for women and girls.

Statism.

I am sorry you experienced that. What was the anti-semitism about? I can't quite imagine the people I know who are active members (including Corbyn supporters) behaving like that at all.

You're welcome @lochroy and I am very glad to read your reply and realise that your 'genuine question' was indeed a genuine question - they are often not!

I also hope that it is possible for them to come back to being broadly decent as a party but at the moment I am really not sure. Which is sad and depressing

Their acceptance of trans gender ideology, their lack of critical thinking and concern for children re the above, that loads of their MPs think surrogacy and drag are acceptable. I could go on. They’re institutionally misogynistic.

Do you know there’s a campaign to let HIV+ men use surrogate mothers to have children? Which many of their MPs support. They call it “reproductive equality”. A progressive party would be against surrogacy, not encourage it.

They have nothing to say on keeping children safe- they’re at best naive and at worst, malign.

They are completely unelectable in our area.

• women’s rights
• more tax is the answer to everything, instead of spending less

I really don't get this, everything we are seeing with the loss of womens rights/safe spaces is happening under a Conservative Govt, inc the Police and lack of action on rape, even a Police chief said recently it was regretful sex and not rape.

True, but Labour have looked at how bad things already are with the Stonewall driven self id policies and promised to make it worse by introducing legal self id.

They have looked at male rapists in women’s prisons, a 4000% increase in distressed girls thinking that removing their breasts and making themselves infertile will help them and the wholesale removal of women’s ability to speak about our rights and needs in a public space and thought “yes, this is great, we are going to do more of it”.

Only gullible turkeys vote for Christmas.

Lots of people who'd vote Tory under all circumstances working backwards from that position to justify a decision they never truly considered in the first place.