To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

Kier Starmer.
Diane Abbott.
TWAW.
Anti-Semitism.
Big spenders - worse than current Tories.

Yes, this.

I don't want to hear people being called scum because they disagree with you.
I will happily not vote for a party that literally says they don't want my vote.
I wonder what else they would lie about if they are happy to lie that TWAW in all circumstances.
I'm in Wales which already is run by Labour and yes they have some good policies but as far as I can see, we are no better off, especially with the NHS and education. They're too busy chasing the young and rainbow vote and have forgotten anyone else exists.

It's the TWAW and the disregard for female's rights for me too.

The appalling way Rosie Duffield has been treated. Etc etc.

This, and the bile at anyone who questions things, rather than trying to have a proper discussion and calling people 'scum' 'if you dont vote Labour you just want the poor to die/you want children to be homeless and starve'..

I wouldn't feel safe giving my actual contact details to a Labour party member to tell them my thoughts on the GRA or anything to do with the trans ideology given how they clearly support TRA aggressiveness.

Being left wing.

I live in a place which has historically voted Labour since they started, I believe now they take that and their other "red wall" constituencies for granted and have done so for a while now, as if they're automatically owed our votes because of our location and as such, just rely on their useful idiots to vote them into power with no contest and without having to actually do anything to earn their vote or do anything when actually in power. I always vote for whoever has the 2nd highest polling to hopefully light a fire up their arses, which unfortunately is the conservatives, so it's like being given the choice of which side of a dogshit sandwich do you want to eat when I go to vote.

Plus then you've got their comedy act MP's who are reason enough to not vote for them, Raynor, Lammy, Abbot; et al.

Their "5 Missions for a better Britain" is a joke as well, soundbite bullshit slogans with no substance behind them, might has well have just tacked on another mission of "Free Unicorns for everyone" as they'd have just about much idea as how to enact that than they do for the other 5 missions they've listed.

And just because I hate Labour doesn't mean I like the conservatives, as it stands I think pretty much every politician is a self serving arsehole, and anybody who actually aspires to become an MP or is an MP, is probably exactly the type of person, we don't want or need as MP's.

I want to vote Labour but I can't because of the twaw. I don't believe anyone actually believes that because it's insane. But if they're willing to lie about that....? And it's not a tiny minority, it's 50% of the population! However, as pp have said this shitshow has been evolving under the Torys. Their hands aren't clean. There stuff such as queering the curriculum that's going on right now (there's a thread on RSE in Swindon on the FWR board that's jaw dropping, including advice to film their sexual experiences to increase intimacy). Aside from the Torys, the major parties seem captured, the LibDem are worse than Labour. The Green Party are batshit about it, they had one job! Apparently, the SDP (who I hadn't realised were still a thing) know what a woman is and the Communists.

I don't believe the Labour Party are beyond hope though. There's a petition try to gather 100k signatures to force a debate and get the Equality Act updated so sex means biological sex. Please, if you haven't already, consider following the link below to the petition page and signing it. Also share with family and friends if you can. It's a Government petition, so your details are confidential.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2?page=38&reply=124417439

Exactly this. I was a former lifelong party member until they embraced the cult.

It's the nerve of the Labour Party in terms of forming absolutely no coherent opposition to the Tory Party. Resulting in years of decimation for UK. Poorer and working class people have been shat on and are 2nd class citizens. People with more money, the classist, and deluded working class snobs, are the 'voice' of the nation now.

I'm minded that Labour voters talk a good talk but plenty don't get up and put, and vote (I know several people like this). But you can be sure, those who are happy to see others impoverished so they can keep their £££, their gold plated pensions, their schadenfreude mindset , do get up and out and vote. Evil has motivation, pie in the sky 'somebody else will do it', has none.

Labour says/does nothing much. I view Labour as a political party of 'Ive got my position, big money salary + allowances, homes, lifestyle & I couldn't care less about anything or anybody else. Which is not fine when you're an MP.

Kier Starmer stands for nothing at all, its any way the wind blows whatever he thinks is popular and will keep him in his monied position. Labour are a shower of idle unprincipled fools with no credibility and integrity. I do wish another political party would form so we never have to see Labour and Tories again.

Also that the hard earned right to vote was respected.

Agree with this. After 13 long years of Labour and Gordon Brown, almost the whole country was on benefits.

The Tories have tried to reverse that but it is very difficult to do so because people just expect more and more help.

In fact I hate to say it but I actually think Labour are far more racist/sexist than the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️ just because it doesn’t fit ‘ideologically’, doesn’t mean it isn’t true - I still find it so bizarre Labour have never ever had a female leader let alone installed one as PM, yet the Tories have done this twice. Equally the Tories have just installed our first non-white PM and have a very diverse cabinet.

Labour just seem to be the party of white men leading because they know what’s best for women, the working classes and non whites.

Labour in Wales put me off too. It looks liked it struggling with the basics even more.

Op interesting thread and a nice change from usual level of political threads which turn into you’re all thick or variations thereof

@Bamboux Thank you for explaining so clearly. I'm sorry for what you've been through. That's not acceptable and it sounds like still a lot of work to do at grass roots level.

Rampant inflation and having people running the economy who don't understand it, let alone what to do about it, does indeed destroy all other achievements if that situation continues. By definition.

It would be so easy to have formed a credible opposition to this awful government but they just haven't done so. Keir is weak and all their soundbite policies are stupid.

Another one here who would love to vote labour but I don’t feel able to because of their stance on women’s rights.

Nothing is more important than getting the Tories out and avoiding a further lurch to the right and in most constituencies that means voting labour.

This thread reminds me of how celebs like Susan Sarandon refused to get behind Hilary Clinton and ended up with Trump. And now US women can’t access abortions. If you don’t vote labour, what’s the alternative… more of the Tories.

TWAW
Angela Rayner
Having the cheek to think they can win over older women by treating us a basket cases when we go through the Menopause.

Their policy on private schools. My H and I both work for the NHS and rely on being able to pay through the nose to drop off at 745 collect at 6 and know that our children are safe, happy, fed and educated. If the fees go up I will leave my job. Frankly, I'll be glad to these days.

Labour is basically a party for champagne socialists. Rich people who have a social conscience right up until the point when policy starts affecting them.

Time and time again they pass up the opportunity to actually do something for the person in the street, their core demographic, but pass on it because they don't want to annoy the champagne socialist vote. Their core demographic, the working class are just a problem to be managed.

Labour are for themselves as much as the Tories are. They just do it under the veneer of social conscience.

We need a proper Labour party run by working class people for working class people and putting their interests first, not what we have at the moment - Tory lite run by people who are Tories in everything but name.

Just not convinced by their manifesto or people, I also find it hard to vote for a party that seems unable to manage it's own finances let alone the country.
(£4.8M deficit in 2021 annual report).

Several reasons:

1. I don't trust them with women's rights. Hell, most of them can't even accurately describe what a woman is and the treatment of Rosie Duffield recently goes to show that nothing has changed even though the public discourse has. I don't want a party that is so kind and liberal and inclusive that they're prepared to shove half the population under the bus.

2. I wouldn't have trusted them over Covid and I don't trust them for any future waves. I'm not a particular fan of how the Tories managed it either because I have the view that a lot of the lockdown measures did more harm than good, but Labour would have been waaaaaay worse on this front, probably driven by the unions.

3. I don't trust them with the economy. Obviously we've been through The Truss Shitshow but I have more faith in Sunak and Hunt (and that's not a phrase I thought I'd ever use...) than I do in Starmer et al.

But it's mostly the women thing. Labour know they're in the wrong on this but they either can't or won't climb down.

Live in a safe Tory seat, although the LibDems are knocking hard on the door with each successive general election. Voting Labour would be a wasted vote and I sadly don't feel I can vote for them because of TWAW position they have adopted. Which leaves me in a big dilemma as the LibDems are just as bad if not worse. Like many others I really feel we have to get rid of this appalling set of corrupt and wildly incompetent Tories, so may find myself voting LibDem but it will be with a heavy heart.

My local council and also my current MP stop me voting Labour.

The former are an absolutely useless bunch of self serving crooks and have needed government commissioners brought in to run things because of how badly they ran things themselves, and the less said about the latter, the better. Neither deserve my vote.

I live in Liverpool. A supposedly socialist city despite about only around 30% of the population actually bothering to turn out and vote.

And how will they fund these public services?

The only way to increase livings standards sustainably (salaries, public services) is to increase productivity. Where is their plan for this??

The lack of engagement with the economic points on the thread e.g. those in my previous posts, highlights exactly why we have such useless politicians in all parties and why the country is now in such a state.