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To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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Winniethepoohandtiggertoo · 06/03/2023 09:21

No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

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TheAdmiralAndFishermanFavorEntirelyDifferentPies · 06/03/2023 10:47

They don't want me to vote for them. They don't want me to be a member of their party. If Karen Ingala Smith isn't good enough for them, I couldn't possibly be: labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/karen-ingala-smith-rejected-by-labour-party/ because I'm just a middle aged woman.

And I live in a Tory safe seat where the local Lib Dem prospective MP candidate is working his little socks off all year round - the last time the Labour Party managed to get someone to stand they didn't live here, they didn't even bother printing posters or leaflets. Or perhaps they did but those pesky women volunteers were too busy menopausing - or whatever the LP think we do all day - to deliver them.

ItstheZwartbles · 06/03/2023 10:48

The fact their leader cannot define what a woman is. I mean it doesn't bode well for women. How are they going to provide us with the services we need if they do not even know what a woman is?

Mumsanetta · 06/03/2023 10:48

Inability to define what is a woman.

Timesawastin · 06/03/2023 10:48

Winniethepoohandtiggertoo · 06/03/2023 09:21

No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

All these people willing throw the whole country under the Tory bus just because they hate and fear a tiny, tiny minority who are trans.
I fucking despair.

oldwhyno · 06/03/2023 10:49

Their refusal to protect women's rights, and about half of the Shadow Cabinet.

RichardBarrister · 06/03/2023 10:49

Their blind support for trans activism and recently reaffirmed commitment to remove women’s rights means I definitely cannot vote for them.

Keir is clearly the weakest of men - he was persuaded to say that some women have penises. He knows they don’t. What else will the ideologues be able to persuade him to say?

His front bench are just as bad with added virtue signalling - Anneliese Dodds teaming up with the WI to look at menopause issues when she won’t even admit what a woman is. The WI platform male ‘women’ so their input is not necessarily going to be for the benefit of women - it’ll probably focus on the experiences of middle aged men reducing their cross sex hormones and calling it menopause.

Their inability to listen to the many voices of women telling them that we want to be heard and considered is telling and does not bode well for women under any Labour government.

GPTec1 · 06/03/2023 10:50

EyesOnThePies · 06/03/2023 10:40

Self id/ TWAW / failure to protect sex based rights.

I really don't get this, everything we are seeing with the loss of womens rights/safe spaces is happening under a Conservative Govt, inc the Police and lack of action on rape, even a Police chief said recently it was regretful sex and not rape.
Shouldn't be forgotten that the Tories wont get rid of the GRA either.

So for me, its the EU fence sitting and Labour promising to get all these extra people working in the NHS.. err from where exactly? they cannot say, i ve asked and was refused a reply.

I also doubt their intelligence, what on earth were they doing offering Sue Gray a job with the commons still looking into Boris Johnsons conduct? talk about an own goal.

I'll vote to remove my Tory MP, whether its Labour or LD, she is utterly useless as a local MP, moans about lack of local housing, whilst running a large BTL agency, keeping prices high and rents higher.

Flossflower · 06/03/2023 10:50

In my constituency the Conservatives will always win. If this wasn’t the case I wouldn’t vote for Labour because of TWAW and I don’t trust them not to tax the middle class too much. I have voted Labour in the past and I have never voted Conservative. I will go along to vote and then probably spoil my paper with ‘none of the above’

oldwhyno · 06/03/2023 10:50

Timesawastin · 06/03/2023 10:48

All these people willing throw the whole country under the Tory bus just because they hate and fear a tiny, tiny minority who are trans.
I fucking despair.

No, it's nothing to do with hating and fearing a tiny minority. Its about respecting and protecting the half of the population that are female. What's so hard to understand?

CheeseandGherkins · 06/03/2023 10:51

Single sex safe spaces and the surrounding issues. Yes I will be a single issue voter. Every woman is affected by this and will be forever, should a party get in that will change the safety of women forever. Other issues can be dealt with after women are protected but this is the priority for me.

I am not rich and come from a council estate in east London. I never thought I would vote Tory, but then I never thought I would have to fight for my rights as a woman to keep single sex spaces. It feels like I'm in a dystopian novel.

GPTec1 · 06/03/2023 10:51

ItstheZwartbles · 06/03/2023 10:48

The fact their leader cannot define what a woman is. I mean it doesn't bode well for women. How are they going to provide us with the services we need if they do not even know what a woman is?

Has any party leader done this, as in policy not throw away sound bites?

R00K · 06/03/2023 10:52

Being able to feed my kids is more of a priority than the supposed erosion of women's rights under a theoretical labour government

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 06/03/2023 10:52
  1. Unionism
  2. the pro-Brexit lunacy.

Still infinitely preferable to this Tory criminal cartel of xenophobic morons, but I can not vote for SLab because they have absolutely no independent agency.

Hoppinggreen · 06/03/2023 10:54

Timesawastin · 06/03/2023 10:48

All these people willing throw the whole country under the Tory bus just because they hate and fear a tiny, tiny minority who are trans.
I fucking despair.

I despair at your complete lack of understanding of the issue

BlueSoul · 06/03/2023 10:57

There are a few things but the main one at the moment is their stance on independent schools.

My DS is in an independent school because his needs are best met there. It is a huge financial sacrifice and adding an additional 20% to fees as is predicted (on top of anticipated inflation to fees), would possibly result in having to move him. I can't vote for that.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 06/03/2023 10:57

I’m a swing voter. All the parties should be chasing my vote. None of them are but Labour takes the cake in actively turning me away from them (I have voted for them,the LibDems, and the Tories in the past depending on which issues I was most concerned about at the time).

I won’t vote Labour because:

  • of they way they treat women, both in and out of parliament. Their TWAW stance is a) wrong and b) been very badly handled
  • referring to the Tories as scum doesn’t win my vote. Both Labour supporters and parliamentarians have done this. It just shows that you lack any respect for the democratic process, have no substantive arguments to make, and I don’t want to be associated with you or your party.
  • There is a distinct lack of policy and policy detail. How can I vote if I don’t know what I am voting for?
GenuinelyDone · 06/03/2023 11:00

Timesawastin · 06/03/2023 10:48

All these people willing throw the whole country under the Tory bus just because they hate and fear a tiny, tiny minority who are trans.
I fucking despair.

Not remotely scared of transpeople.

Utterly terrified by TRAs who are uniformly angry and support violence against anyone who asks perfectly reasonable questions like why should a transwoman with intact male genitalia who has been found guilty of serious sexual assault be permitted to serve their sentence in a women's prison. Oddly enough these TRAs seem to be obsessed with how transwomen are treated. Transmen rarely get a mention.

TRAs are obsessed with allowing predatatory men to have no limits on their access to single sex spaces - you should be scared about that and the influence it's having on major political parties. I'd argue they are doing more harm than good to genuine transwomen who just want to get on with life quietly.

KnittedCardi · 06/03/2023 11:03

Labour are just not credible. At the moment they have no credible alternative policies.

Locally our council is now majority "residents" led. Which is great, so many great decisions have been made in the last couple of years. Bad decisions have been scrapped through by the Cons and Lib Dems. The split is stark, and just shows how out of touch the main parties are. It would be so wonderful if we had an alternative at national level, I would love an independent candidate.

ReneBumsWombats · 06/03/2023 11:03

Timesawastin · 06/03/2023 10:48

All these people willing throw the whole country under the Tory bus just because they hate and fear a tiny, tiny minority who are trans.
I fucking despair.

Wow, you're really showing a deep understanding of the issue there. You'll convince lots of people to change their minds with that.

StarryGazeyEyes · 06/03/2023 11:03

I'm put off by TWAW, ignoring the membership's wishes on PR, the debacle over allowing MPs to attend pickets, and the refusal to rejoin the single market or customs union. That said, I will vote for whoever is most likely to unseat our current Tory incumbent - here that's more likely to be the Lib Dems than Labour, and voting for them is going to require one helluvalot of feeling rather sullied.

Toseland · 06/03/2023 11:07

I would normally vote Labour but now I'm a single issue voter and will vote however I can to get gender identity out. The threat to women, children and LGB people and to society in general is too great and they can't even see it. Labour ignore it and deny this issue comes up on doorsteps! They have treated Rosie Duffield awfully. They will bring in self-ID if they get in - we cannot let this happen.

minsmum · 06/03/2023 11:07

Originally it was because of their TWAW stance but has now changed and is because as a previous poster said they don't really believe it but they are willing to lie. If they lie about this where does it stop. Also their calling people scum when we should be able to have polite disagreement. I could go on and on but suffice it to say I don't trust them and that is the reason I won't vote for them.

GloomyDarkness · 06/03/2023 11:07

Being able to feed my kids is more of a priority than the supposed erosion of women's rights under a theoretical labour government

Dentists could give up NHS work in Wales, group warns

Wales has a labour government in charge of health - for over 8 year DH and I have not been able to access NHS dental services but kids still have them - one mid NHS orthodontal work and one waiting to see if it's needed.

The Labour council has voted a 7,5% council tax rise and after reducing our black bin sizes few years ago are now moving to a 3 week collection - we also have some of the lowest funded secondary school in the country - no that they are getting more cash from the rise.

I'm not seeing them making it any easier for my kids.

Winniethepoohandtiggertoo · 06/03/2023 11:07

For me it’s not that I consider the trans issue to be a bigger problem than the underfunding of public services. It’s that I feel if a person is willing to pretend to believe something that is objectively impossible to ‘firm up their reputation’ then it makes them inherently insincere and spineless - so what else would they do? It’s a bit like politicians who lie in Parliament. It’s indicative of somebody who will just say whatever they have to say to save their own skin, insulting everyone else in the process.

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shouldhavetakenmorenotice · 06/03/2023 11:10

Thisisthewaywe · 06/03/2023 09:33

I could be persuaded, so this post is not a definite ‘I will not vote for them’ but I have the following concerns:

  1. TWAW
  2. I do not like the look of their education policies at all, although they aren’t set in stone
  3. Private schools and the 20% tax. Undecided re schools at the moment though.

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