To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

Good post

Electorally yes but Labour should stand up for what they believe in & then win us around.

Sunak is playing a dangerous game, he is saying the "right" things but ultimately he has to deliver and after 5 migrant policy announcements, so far he and the Tories have not even come close.

They have deported 500 of the 15,000 Albanians who came here, possibly the very easiest group to deport.

I also don't think the Tories setting out to break international law is a good look, esp when the trafficking gangs are here in the UK.

I admit I’m not sure what I’m looking at with the Labour one and Cons version. They’re lobby groups aren’t they and I would expect them to approach IWD as they have, not that I agree.

The question would be how much do TRAs / lobby groups have a hold on the leader and policy. And I think Starmer shows he’s more wary of the small percentage of TRAs then he is of women whereas Rishi / and party is showing he isn’t

Both "lobby groups" are reprehensible & as i have pointed out before, its the Tories who are opening up more gender clinics and have zero intention of changing the GRA, even though they have the numbers in Parliament to do so.

So however you cut it, both parties are pandering to the TWAW lobby.

At last someone else can see this.

Quite.

I don’t agree as the left takes a different stance separating the two.

Parties that is, not all women on the left.

.GPTec1 · Today 22:09
Both "lobby groups" are reprehensible & as i have pointed out before, its the Tories who are opening up more gender clinics and have zero intention of changing the GRA, even though they have the numbers in Parliament to do so.

So however you cut it, both parties are pandering to the TWAW lobby.

Do you mean the integrative approach clinics to combine different expertise in order to take over from the closed-down Only Affirm and Trans Tavistock?

Or do you mean other clinics?

It was Theresa May who wanted to change the GRA. Had she been successful we’d have gone the way of Scotland. There are quite a few Tory MPs who believe trans women are women.

Because they're the equivalent to a "Disney dad." Swoop in, give the kids whatever they like despite the costs all whilst ignoring the consequences. All that matters is the kids get whatever it is to make the dad the favourite parent, even when it's not actually what the child really needs to learn/in their best interests as a responsible parent.

The last Labour government left a lot of people completely reliant on the state/help which made labour popular but wasn't in those peoples best interests at all.

Then responsible mum comes along and looks like the mean one for sorting out the Disney dad's unrealistic expectations/over spending.

Nothing
I will vote Labour too

They don't reward ambition or hard work just want the squeezed middle to pay more and more tax to give away in more benefits

Cant say what a woman is

Labour’s determination to legalise gender self-ID, which would give every man (trans or not) the right to enter and use all women-only spaces and services. Labour’s failure to renationalise utilities and railways when in power, and feeble hand-flapping about all the ways the rich screw the rest of us, make it pretty pointless anyway.

I agree about being ‘left wing until it affects you’ - if you saw the channel boats thread yesterday, so many posters were deeming anybody who doesn’t want boats full of unchecked men from patriarchal countries rocking up on our shores ‘right wing’ and ‘xenophobic’, yet I’m happy to wager those posters don’t live across the road from refugee ‘hotels’ or HMOs. Or anywhere near Kent. They expect other people to be fine with it however

This.

Blossomtoes · Today 23:19
It was Theresa May who wanted to change the GRA. Had she been successful we’d have gone the way of Scotland. There are quite a few Tory MPs who believe trans women are women

Yes, she did, and thank goodness she wasn’t successful.

But since then some of the Conservatives have done some listening and some pausing. So there is a bit more hope than with Labour, Liberal Democrats and Greens who have all insisted on digging in deeper and deeper and refusing to admit anything is going wrong.

Labour rushed through the GRA, carelessly interchanging ‘sex’ and ‘gender’ throughout, then cobbled together the Equality Act with poorly worded, potentially conflicting protected characteristics. The GRA and protected characteristics all tangle with each other.

Then the exceptions have to be dug out from the afterthoughts within the acts rather than being positive rights. This is a tiny step towards more clarity:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=UsvQQFx-dRI

The “Yes, but Labour…” is getting very old. Labour hasn’t been in a position to introduce legislation for almost 13 years. May was PM and therefore in a position to get her dreadful bill through.

Maybe not, but they've made it clear what pathway they would take if they did get in. Which is why I'd never vote for them. Until they had a massive clear out.

And so have the Tories. There’s absolutely no guarantee or even indication that they wouldn’t revert to May’s 2017 position. Caroline Nokes and Maria Caulfield would resurrect it in a heartbeat.

It's not a zero sum game. I don't really trust either of them.

The misogyny and homophobia that underpins their fealty to Gender Ideology, the abandonment of safeguarding children as a foremost principle and priority, and the anti-semitisim that never really goes away.

British politicians across all parties leave very little to be desired, voting for any of them would feel like an act of extreme self-harm.

I can't vote labour as long as Kier does not know what a woman is and will not protect female only spaces. Also he is downright obstructive in finding a solution to illegal immigration costing UK tax payers £6 million pounds every day. We took over a million legal immigrants last year we should not let illegal immigrants jump the queue. Kier throws up barriers rather than looks for solutions. I really can't stomach the man. As long as he is Labour leader I will not vote Labour. I really wish he would go. I don't like Sunak either so yet again I will struggle to vote.

Women’s rights and trans issues.

That I have a very good left-leaning LibDem MP, and the constituency is a Tory/ LibDem marginal. I would very likely vote Labour if I lived elsewhere.

Morning Suella! You left out the bit about 100 million wanting to come here.
Seeking asylum isn't illegal. The Tories have closed all of the legal routes (unless you're from Hong Kong or Ukraine). This boat thing is Nigel Farage level shit stirring and 'look over there' distraction '.