To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

Gloomy yes it’s nostalgia linked with another time and also why we get all those I miss the 90s threads (there was no SM etc whilst posting on SM).

Labour are already trying to do expectation management. Starmer is no Blair and even Blair had his own detractors and the fair winds of a global boom behind him. But then the financial bust.

Most of the posters on this thread I doubt have ever voted for Labour.

Your dismissal of us is horribly wrong. I strongly suspect many PPs have previously voted Labour.

Not only did I vote Labour until very recently, I was also a party member and an activist. I started as a teenager, collecting numbers at polling stations for Labour back in the 80s. In the last GE, I went door to door for our lovely local MP. I have told her that I can no longer support her, and why.

I am a Jewish woman and I can no longer ignore the way women and Jews are treated by the so-called progressive left. If I have to, I will hold my nose and vote Tory; I have daughters and I have a duty to protect them.

It’s the people that have voted Labour before that are key to win back.

It’s idiocy by Labour / supporters to do this you’re all Tories sneer or your bots or HQ as the typical insulting Labour or left response showed below.

Really lacking in insight and useful political thinking.

Lib Dem and Green align more closely with me and my politics and I strongly feel that every vote is important so haven't voted labour yet.

I would prefer a proportional representation or something that allows you to give a second place vote. I would rather labour over Tory all day every day but don't feel like I should give my ONE vote to my second or ever third choice just to ensure my 5/6th choice doesn't get voted in.

However, after these past few years, we desperately need a change and I think voting labour might be my only choice to get the Tory's out.

I was also a Labour party member for years. I volunteered at elections as an observer for the Labour party.

It might be comforting for people on this trhead to think we are all Tory bots and our veiws and opinions can be dismissed due to this- but this to me just shows what it is the Labour party Are Not Getting. They are losing support hand over fist and they don't even seem to ask themselves why. Hands over ears singing 'La la la la la'.

It’s not “harking back” to want to feel the joy of seeing the back of a Tory government again.

As for it not being enough to be the alternative to the Tories to win, it’s worth remembering the old adage about oppositions not winning elections but governments losing them.

It really is idiotic. And maybe they’ll win but if they lose perhaps they’ll stop bleating about the media being the reason or other and actually listen - as they said they would after last massive defeat.

But I doubt it looking at the posts on here.

@MarshaBradyo so on the basis of this thread you think the LP aren't listening ?
Wow.

Have you looked at the polls recently?

Why wow?

It’s not that mind blowing. I think they are better than some posters but as for listening no I don’t think they get some of the issues.

I also think if they lose we won’t see much on all these insightful posts being the reason but supporters will be convinced it’s the media or other.

And then anyone saying well these are my issues will be called Tory and bot with other insults and on it goes…

I don't think Labour will win, unless they pull something seriously impressive before the next ge.

Depressing.

Are you being dismissive of my opinion?

No, I’m disagreeing with it, based on the evidence of every opinion poll in the last six months.

Opinion polls aren't that reliable if they are years off a GE.

Agreed. However these polls have been consistent for some time and we’re not years from a GE.

We’ll see. People are annoyed with the Tories. Not because Labour are outstanding.

Rishi’s personal ratings are going up. If he keeps resolving things it could change. The party has a bigger hill to climb but Starmer isn’t polling that high and leaders count.

Ipsos updated this morning. Sunak’s down three points from his January rating.

When I was canvassing not just in 97 but in the years running up to that election people had a clear idea of what Labour stood for and were choosing Labour rather than simply voting against the Major government. To be fair, people were pretty clear on what they thought Corbyn stood for - they just didn't want him. The only Labour policy which pretty much everyone knows is around identity politics

I was a keen Blair/Labour supporter but in 1995, i didn't have a clue what they stood for, only that they weren't the Tories, it was all general ambitions, if you can link to specific Labour policies from say 94 or 95 i'd been keen to be proved wrong.

Blair said very little on specific policy until late 96/97.

TBF as well, Corbyn came very close to winning in 2017, his ideas were not that outrageous then but 2019 was a Brexit one and Labour had a very confused policy and their other policies were, at best, rather silly, like free internet for all, so tax payers give their money for the well off to have fibre broad band?
They over promised but they'd have lost regardless, it was a "Get Brexit Done" GE (3 word slogans are all we can manage)

Labour do not have a policy on id because the manifesto hasn't been written but the Tories have opened up many more NHS gender clinics to enable Self ID.

I see the Tories are already getting their 3 word slogans out there "Stop the Boats"

I think Labour have deliberately been lurking quietly in the background while the Tories fuck up Brexit and implode. Honestly, anything Labour does would just give the Tories an opportunity to attack them and distract from their own shitshow.

When an election is announced, Labour can come out with sensible policies, a moderate approach and they should walk it.

You'd expect any new PM to have a bounce, Sunak though appears to have had almost none.

I see the Tories are already getting their 3 word slogans out there "Stop the Boats"

A bit like Labour re using Take Back Control

They couldn’t even be bothered to think up a new one. So bad.

Actually a key answer to the question of what stops people voting Labour - it might be a lack of ID.

The Tories introduced rules that require voters to show ID at polling stations, despite there being no evidence that this was proportionate to any risk of voter fraud.

There needs to be a big campaign to ensure people don't get disenfranchised by this - they're likely to be poorer voters without passports and driving licences etc, who tend towards Labour.

Not true lately. He’s had uptick after Windsor agreement. I doubt he’d go up during strikes but when they stop and other things are resolved, well we’ll see.

I recall predictions of walk outs and his party not getting behind him and they turned out to be incorrect.

It’s not “harking back” to want to feel the joy of seeing the back of a Tory government again.

I'm in Wales over two decades with Labour government running health and education - the services often score lower on most metrics than England.

It's not the 90s - we have huge national debts a rapidly aging and retiring population -and a shrinking tax base - many issues like housing and NHS and social care have been licked down the road by all governments Labour and Conservative and those issue are hitting now.

It will be a fucking struggle for what ever party gets in.

Stamer's shadow cabinet is not a patch talent wise on Blair.

So I do think it's harking back and not accepting the actual situation.

As for it not being enough to be the alternative to the Tories to win, it’s worth remembering the old adage about oppositions not winning elections but governments losing them.

This Tory government is shit and has a huge hill to climb for credibility it shouldn't be even a consideration for a next term - but Labour isn't looking great at the minute and I'm not sure they'll actually get the vote out.

He’s had uptick after Windsor agreement.

Updated this morning. Three point downtick.

www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uk-opinion-polls