Page 27 | To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

Winniethepoohandtiggertoo · 2023-03-06T09:21:01+00:00

No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning… For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

Greenfairydust · 07/03/2023 20:53

Nothing.

I want the Tories obliterated....

cisisaslur · 07/03/2023 21:16

WiIson · 06/03/2023 09:29

Since TWAW.

This

beguilingeyes · 07/03/2023 21:23

summerpoolandsun · 07/03/2023 19:12

Huge tax increases for higher earners despite a sizeable majority of higher earners already choosing to go down the private route for education/health etc. So they are doubly penalised.
Really disagree with nationalisation of services, the majority work more efficiently when semi-privatised.

Water?

mynamesnotMa · 07/03/2023 21:27

I'm not a fan of unions or strikes.
I don't find their policies forward thinking.
Kier Starmer is undoubtedly intelligent but wooden.
I can't stand the Tories the evil fuckers won't stop until we are Switzerland

ScrollingLeaves · 07/03/2023 21:30

cisisaslur· Today 21:16

WiIson · Yesterday 09:29
Since TWAW.

This

You might be interested in what Julie Bindel said here.
twitter.com/bindelj/status/1633045053164617729
or this on Mumsnet
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4758082-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-3

Florenz · 07/03/2023 22:55

mynamesnotMa · 07/03/2023 21:27

I'm not a fan of unions or strikes.
I don't find their policies forward thinking.
Kier Starmer is undoubtedly intelligent but wooden.
I can't stand the Tories the evil fuckers won't stop until we are Switzerland

Isn't Switzerland a nice place to live?

Blossomtoes · 07/03/2023 23:07

I want to feel like I did on 2 May 1997 again. That means voting Labour.

CremeEggQueen · 07/03/2023 23:22

Blossomtoes · 07/03/2023 23:07

I want to feel like I did on 2 May 1997 again. That means voting Labour.

Same!
Everything just seemed so "fresh", and new. A sense of excitement, kind of, of a possible new beginning.
Would be so good to get that again!

Florenz · 07/03/2023 23:28

I was excited in 1997 when Labour won. But I was young and stupid then. I'm a lot more cynical now. Politicians will always promise the world and deliver very little, but get very rich while doing so.

MarshaBradyo · 08/03/2023 06:35

Starmer isn’t a time machine. People are expecting too much from a party that is different and a situation that is too.

TodayInahurry · 08/03/2023 07:08

Starmer refusing to say what a woman is
Angela Rayner
Starmer, totally untrustworthy

Florissant · 08/03/2023 07:33

BourbonBon · 06/03/2023 09:31

Their magic money tree
refusal to protect woman’s rights
Kier always looks confused

That pretty much speaks for me, too.

Icandothattoo · 08/03/2023 07:35

@TodayInahurry why is Starmer untrustworthy ? I'm intrigued. More untrustworthy then Sunak.
Is Angela Rayner the wrong kind of woman ?

Icandothattoo · 08/03/2023 07:41

Florissant · 08/03/2023 07:33

That pretty much speaks for me, too.

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1.ditto the tories. Economy in an absolute mess.

men in female prisons is going on under the tories as is men in refuges, men in female sports. All the gender woo happening under a tory government.

3.Sunak is also spineless and full of empty promises. Intrigued to know if you will vote for the Conservatives ? Most of the posters on this thread I doubt have ever voted for Labour.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/03/2023 07:46

I’ve never voted anything other than Labour ever even though I’ve only lived in bloody safe Tory seats

all Labour have to do to get my vote again is say something as simple as “sometimes we do need spaces that are only for biological women” it’s that fucking simple, the fact they can’t or won’t suggests they can’t stand up to their own membership

I’d rather cut my arms off than vote Tory

I suspect the big danger for Labour is the sheer number of people who just won’t vote at all

C8H10N4O2 · 08/03/2023 08:19

ScrollingLeaves · 07/03/2023 20:24

Icandothattoo
Even Starmer was educated at a state school and did remarkably well, went to Leeds Uni rather than Eton/Oxbridge.
Surely that's what the country needs - well educated, knowledgeable, grounded public servants rather than someone who hasn't studied beyond GCSE or equally, wealthy upper class types who've never stepped outside Tunbridge Wells

Starmer went to a grammar school that became private while he was there and he was given a scholarship to continue at the school. He was also a young scholar at the Guildhall School of Music.

So that his scholarship to school is similar to Rishi having a scholarship to Winchester College. Then after Leeds University Kier Starmer did go to Oxford as a postgraduate too.

In Tunbridge Wells, and a lot of that Kent area I think, they are privileged to have free grammar schools giving the equivalent education to selective, now entirely private day schools. So someone would not have to be a wealthy upper class type to go to one.

There is no comparison between going to the local grammar school (alternative at that time being a secondary modern) which went independent rather than comp and the 45k per year Winchester.
There is no comparison between the income levels needed before you can make that choice.

When Starmer went to school many areas were still grammar vs secondary modern - there was no comprehensive option.
However I agree with you that in many areas retaining grammars now they are used by more affluent parents as free private schools with almost the entire year 7 intake coming from private primaries and via the tutoring system.

C8H10N4O2 · 08/03/2023 08:28

Treehappy · 07/03/2023 14:03

Like him or hate him Blair had actual charisma and connected with voters

He was on the radio the other day and I just thought, ‘why can’t we have politicians like this anymore? Who actually seem to think issues through and can talk clearly and intelligently about them?’

It really showed up the paucity of politicians, and of political discourse, that we have nowadays.

We get the politicians we deserve. If voters want to make snap decisions on soundbites then we will get politicians who talk in clickbait language and all that goes with it. If we want better or at least more thoughtful and more nuanced politics we need to stop voting on clickbait and pretending everything is black and white.

C8H10N4O2 · 08/03/2023 08:32

RosaGallica · 07/03/2023 18:21

They are not socialists any more. They are a bunch of middle class well- off people who have no more knowledge or interest in the lives of working class people devoid of inheritances than the Tories. I specifically remember New Labour and how they effectively destroyed the concept of working for a living. They seemed to think that the people providing a service should all work for free and did their real income elsewhere, coincidentally they also encouraged buy-to-let landlords and the mass immigration of both rich people and their capital from abroad. Inequality increased under New Labour. I am not seeing anything different now; the need for public sector infrastructure to support both people and business too simply is a destroyed concept in Britain.

It was the Thatcher government which made it socially acceptable to be unemployed and live on benefits.

When I was a child, however desperately someone was looking for work they would hide the fact that they were out of work.

Men would go out early in the morning looking for work and not come back until "normal" time.

That wasn't good either but Thatcher destroyed entire industries in the name or restructuring leading to generational unemployment in many areas.

She created such massive unemployment that it became normalised.

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 08/03/2023 08:56

Most of the posters on this thread I doubt have ever voted for Labour

well it wouldn’t surprise anyone given this thread is ‘why wouldn’t you vote labiur’

Im sure the the ‘why wouldn’t you vote tory’ has people who have never voted tory

beguilingeyes · 08/03/2023 09:01

mynamesnotMa · 07/03/2023 21:27

I'm not a fan of unions or strikes.
I don't find their policies forward thinking.
Kier Starmer is undoubtedly intelligent but wooden.
I can't stand the Tories the evil fuckers won't stop until we are Switzerland

If it weren't for Unions you wouldn't have weekends or paid holidays. Employers are constantly trying to whittle away working conditions and without Unions there would be no one to stop them.
I used to work in a bank. One year they decided to stop paying us overtime..which used to be double time on Bank Holidays. There was nothing we could do about it.

KnittedCardi · 08/03/2023 09:06

I've voted for Thatcher, I've voted for Blair. I've once even voted for LD locally as our Tory MP was a nightmare, I think that was the coalition year. Next time, who knows. I am currently undecided.

C8H10N4O2 · 08/03/2023 09:14

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/03/2023 07:46

I’ve never voted anything other than Labour ever even though I’ve only lived in bloody safe Tory seats

all Labour have to do to get my vote again is say something as simple as “sometimes we do need spaces that are only for biological women” it’s that fucking simple, the fact they can’t or won’t suggests they can’t stand up to their own membership

I’d rather cut my arms off than vote Tory

I suspect the big danger for Labour is the sheer number of people who just won’t vote at all

This to me is by far the biggest challenge Labour face. After 13 years of chaos and mess with ever widening gaps between the top and the bottom, ever less opportunity to progress if you are not born into the top half at least, the main reason people are citing to vote Labour is "they are not Tories". That is an incredibly weak position for an opposition party.

When I was canvassing not just in 97 but in the years running up to that election people had a clear idea of what Labour stood for and were choosing Labour rather than simply voting against the Major government. To be fair, people were pretty clear on what they thought Corbyn stood for - they just didn't want him. The only Labour policy which pretty much everyone knows is around identity politics.

At the moment, people are not remotely clear on what it is that Labour would do (in brush strokes rather than detailed policies). That will not mobilise the vote to give Labour a serious majority in government (and a small majority/minority will likely result in losing the next election).

Clavinova · 08/03/2023 09:25

There is no comparison between going to the local grammar school (alternative at that time being a secondary modern) which went independent rather than comp and the 45k per year Winchester.

Starmer's 'local' grammar school was 10 miles away from his family home and Sunak was a dayboy at Winchester, not a boarder.

When Starmer went to school many areas were still grammar vs secondary modern - there was no comprehensive option

Not necessarily true if the school was 10 miles away. Starmer's local council only covered his fees up to the age of 16 - he 'doesn't recall' how his sixth form place was funded - which leaves open the possibility that his parents (or another relative) partly contributed to his fees at sixth form. 'Doesn't recall' is just another example of how Starmer frequently evades answering questions.

GloomyDarkness · 08/03/2023 09:29

MarshaBradyo · 08/03/2023 06:35

Starmer isn’t a time machine. People are expecting too much from a party that is different and a situation that is too.

i see this a lot from some posters - and all the harking back means they aren't listening to what is being said now, actually promised for the future or noticing how the current party is behaving.

It's dangerous and a ticket to disappointment because economically and demographical we aren't in the same place and nether is the Labour party the same.

The Tory's are dire - but I not liking Labour at the moment and can still probably be persuaded to them so I am watching them.

MarshaBradyo · 08/03/2023 09:29

Most of the posters on this thread I doubt have ever voted for Labour

Depends. Chances are not many did for Corbyn but Blair more likely.