Page 22 | To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

Winniethepoohandtiggertoo · 2023-03-06T09:21:01+00:00

No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning… For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

Carlycat · 07/03/2023 00:34

All the twaw and gender shite

clopper · 07/03/2023 00:35

Gave up my membership over lack of care of women’s rights by prioritising the trans lobby. I have no problem with trans people living their lives but I do have an issue with women’s sport, women’s prisons and safe spaces and also how young children are being medicalised. The bullying and silencing women in the party who are talking about this issue has turned me away. Labour politicians ‘Sitting on the fence’ about this issue and being unable to state biological facts out of I don’t know… fear? turns me away from the party.

Also generally disappointed by Labour as an opposition, it should be a walk in the park for them! So negative instead of coming up with interesting fresh ideas, just being anti Tory isn’t good enough to get my vote. I want to see some positive and radical suggestions.

I don’t feel I could vote for anyone at the moment sadly.

LongLostNailVarnish · 07/03/2023 00:36

The way I see it is the options are like having and the options of

being punched hard in face once or twice a week, with maybe a good kick to stomach for good measure.

or

being starved to an inch on my life constantly.

I mean how would I choose? they are both marvellous aren't they?

Emotionalstorm · 07/03/2023 00:38

I can't vote for labour because they waste too much money and I just don't like them. I'm a Tory voter for better or worse.

sadieshavingashindig · 07/03/2023 00:39

Emotionalstorm · 07/03/2023 00:38

I can't vote for labour because they waste too much money and I just don't like them. I'm a Tory voter for better or worse.

PPE.

Emotionalstorm · 07/03/2023 00:41

sadieshavingashindig · 07/03/2023 00:39

PPE.

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I can't explain. The PPE thing just doesn't put me off as much.

My whole family vote Tory and I can't actually imagine them doing anything that could change my mind. I guess it's early age programming.

SammyScrounge · 07/03/2023 00:45

How can anyone take seriously Starmer and the Labour party when female GC.MPs get bullied on the floor of the House of Commons, other Labour MPs.join in, and Starmer takes no action. Probably he was too busy trying to work out what a cervix is.

BreadInCaptivity · 07/03/2023 00:51

Hobbi · 07/03/2023 00:24

@BreadInCaptivity

I denied I called anyone a money grabber. You made that up, amongst other misrepresentations. I spoke of financial self-interest, and, unlike you, conceded it was an understandable position, even though it may not be mine. You haven't said why you think the Tories are a better option, but have rolled out cliches about Corbyn, who is an independent MP, without the whip. I've insulted no one, nor have I praised the Labour Party. I've also repeatedly stated that this ukip/Tory alliance is a threat to my country and that it isn't undemocratic to want rid of them. And brexit was very much about the dismantling of rights, openly so.

I denied I called anyone a money grabber. You made that up, amongst other misrepresentations. I spoke of financial self-interest

Okay.....I used a colloquialism to explain your position. Does not equate to making it up. You pointing view over several posts was made clear and available for all to see.

You haven't said why you think the Tories are a better option

I have explained my position from my first post on this thread. Feel free to read it.

rolled out cliches about Corbyn, who is an independent MP, without the whip. I've insulted no one, nor have I praised the Labour Party

Frankly you're on to a hiding to nothing if rolling out cliches is the best you've got. Your posts are full of them.

As for not insulting anyone 😂. Seriously the fact you can't even grasp the tone of your own posts is cringeworthy. You've pretty much insulted anyone and everyone who doesn't think like you....

I've also repeatedly stated that this ukip/Tory alliance is a threat to my country and that it isn't undemocratic to want rid of them. And brexit was very much about the dismantling of rights, openly so.

Of course it's not undemocratic to want to vote in an alternative. Not seen anyone suggest otherwise.

As for rights/Brexit I disagree. I say this as a remainer. It's "purpose" was to to quash the euro skeptic wing of the Tory party and it backfired massively.

BreadInCaptivity · 07/03/2023 00:57

My whole family vote Tory and I can't actually imagine them doing anything that could change my mind. I guess it's early age programming.

@Emotionalstorm

That's probably the worst response I've seen on this thread.

Given the Labour Party have literally given you a hundred reasons not to vote for them a refusal to engage your brain and have an opinion outside of your family is just ridiculous.

Emotionalstorm · 07/03/2023 00:58

BreadInCaptivity · 07/03/2023 00:57

My whole family vote Tory and I can't actually imagine them doing anything that could change my mind. I guess it's early age programming.

@Emotionalstorm

That's probably the worst response I've seen on this thread.

Given the Labour Party have literally given you a hundred reasons not to vote for them a refusal to engage your brain and have an opinion outside of your family is just ridiculous.

And I know all of those reasons but I have enough self awareness to know that it doesn't matter even if there are none.

Emotionalstorm · 07/03/2023 00:59

The Tories at least don't pretend to be good people. Labour pretend but they're all as bad as each other.

BreadInCaptivity · 07/03/2023 01:01

Emotionalstorm · 07/03/2023 00:59

The Tories at least don't pretend to be good people. Labour pretend but they're all as bad as each other.

Well to be fair I'll admit to a "gotcha" on that point.

Brava 👏👏👏👏

SettlingForAnotherMuffin · 07/03/2023 06:40

BreadInCaptivity · 06/03/2023 23:54

*Why are we being berated for not voting for the shit show that is the current Labour Party and leadership, instead of the current Labour Party and leadership being berated for the lamentable failure to shape up and present an offer than one could actually vote for?

THEY’RE responsible for failing to make themselves electable. We’re NOT responsible for refusing to vote for such an appalling shower if shite.

Get your act together, Labour, you utter twunts.*

👏👏👏👏

Hear Hear.

jeaux90 · 07/03/2023 06:47

Women's rights, the TWAW and the fact they lost their class analysis and are now pure identity politics

Forever42 · 07/03/2023 06:51

THEY’RE responsible for failing to make themselves electable.

Well, they are a good 20 points ahead in all the polls.

LuckyThatMyBreastsAreSmallAndHumble · 07/03/2023 06:53

For me, the utter corruption, dysfunction and downright incompetence of the Tory government and the way they have run down public services and plunged us into economic penury because of a stupid bit of internecine narcissism is so toxic and self-destructive that getting rid of them takes precedence over their position on women. I also think there are enough sensible female heads in the party to prevail*

This!*

LuckyThatMyBreastsAreSmallAndHumble · 07/03/2023 06:56

LlynTegid · 06/03/2023 09:37

I won't vote Tory, never have done and will never do so. The choice for many who don't vote Tory is not necessarily Labour.

It's our only hope of getting them out.
Please vote tactically to do this 🙏

MarshaBradyo · 07/03/2023 07:04

Hobbi · 07/03/2023 00:24

@BreadInCaptivity

I denied I called anyone a money grabber. You made that up, amongst other misrepresentations. I spoke of financial self-interest, and, unlike you, conceded it was an understandable position, even though it may not be mine. You haven't said why you think the Tories are a better option, but have rolled out cliches about Corbyn, who is an independent MP, without the whip. I've insulted no one, nor have I praised the Labour Party. I've also repeatedly stated that this ukip/Tory alliance is a threat to my country and that it isn't undemocratic to want rid of them. And brexit was very much about the dismantling of rights, openly so.

I've insulted no one

Well that’s not true.

Alexandra2001 · 07/03/2023 07:16

Emotionalstorm · 07/03/2023 00:41

I can't explain. The PPE thing just doesn't put me off as much.

My whole family vote Tory and I can't actually imagine them doing anything that could change my mind. I guess it's early age programming.

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I can identify with this, my family for generations were all Tories, still are & i voted Tory pre Blair.
However, once i travelled and worked in different areas of the UK and in different countries i realised that there are better ways of governing... the Tories are all about "self" and it just doesn't provide for many people, most whom do the daily slog so the millionaires can relax by their pools.

I could still vote Tory if they went back to more moderate policies or as John Major put it "Why has the 5th richest country in the world, have some of the most deprived areas in all of Europe?"

This is what Tories do for women... "Will take another 50 years to close Gender pay gap" & over 40% of DV have closed in last 13 years.... yet the need is higher than ever.

I do despair that so many women judge the Tories on a few well rehearsed sound bites and not what they actually do.... they are a party totally dominated (MPs) by men.

twitterexile · 07/03/2023 07:21

ReneBumsWombats · 06/03/2023 23:00

You don't know what a strawman is, just as you don't understand why criticising a political party isn't the same as insulting people for not voting the way you want them to.

You've come on here telling people that, despite pages and pages explaining everything that Labour is doing to lose their vote, none of that is true and the only reason they won't vote Labour is because they're rich and they want to get richer. You've ignored all their concerns and insulted them, and you think that's going to make them think you're right?

Like I said, what do you want? To satisfy your self-image of moralistic superiority? Carry on, great job. Or do you want to actually bring people back to Labour?

If doing things that lead to Tory rule makes one a Tory, the Labour Party is one of the biggest Tory campaigners out there - and so are you.

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It's the Owen Jones et al approach to ex-Labour voters. We are all fascists and bigots and they are right. The working classes must be educated and understand that women can have penises etc etc. It's all so much bullshit that I can barely recognise the Left I used to know and vote for.

twitterexile · 07/03/2023 07:23

Hobbi · 06/03/2023 23:11

@BreadInCaptivity

Again, who called anyone a money grabber? I certainly didn't, meaning you have answered an argument I didn't make. There's more to women's rights than the trans issue. There's maternity leave and pay, minimum wages, the care and health sectors, gay rights, childcare. All of which are at risk after Brexit and the promised bonfire of human rights. I haven't even said I'd vote Labour. 😂

How can you ascribe rights to women if you cannot define us? THAT is where we are heading.

Hobbi · 07/03/2023 07:25

@twitterexile

I haven't once mentioned my opinion on the TWAW issue. But thank you for incorrectly putting words into my mouth.

twitterexile · 07/03/2023 07:25

ReedRite · 06/03/2023 23:28

Ex Labour voter. For many years. But I’m a Jewish woman, so need I say more?

The whole misogyny of throwing woman under the bus. How DARE they.

Plus stupid shit like abolishing the House of Lords. That whole thing of doing something cos ideology, instead of what actually, you know, works. Prats.

Also, the whole sanctimonious self-righteous, pious, holier-than-thou attitude of the Left these days is excruciating. Like going back in time to the Victorian era, in a parallel universe, where it’s not Christianity everyone’s falling over themselves to compete to be the most good at. And instead it’s being ‘cool’ and inclusive and elevating hurt feelings to the apogee of woundedness. Instead of people taking responsibility for their own feelings and seeing it as their own responsibility to deal with their ‘triggers’. With nobody telling these children to grow up.

Labour isn’t going to be encouraging these wet lettuces to grow a backbone. And the problem is the wet lettuces are also vicious arseholes, waiting to tear peoples lives apart, purely because they don’t agree with their opinion. With the Labour upper echelons timidly going along with it, the craven, snivelling shits. It makes me 🤮

So I’m effectively disenfranchised, while undergoing the biggest assault on women’s rights for a hundred years. What a time to be alive.

Wonderful post. Heartily agree.

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 07/03/2023 07:29

Angela Rayner.

twitterexile · 07/03/2023 07:31

Forever42 · 07/03/2023 06:51

THEY’RE responsible for failing to make themselves electable.

Well, they are a good 20 points ahead in all the polls.

They won't win.