To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

[Winniethepoohandtiggertoo]

No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

This is a more insightful post rather than the usual Labour bot ranters coming on to a thread directed to those not voting Labour.

Yet they still have to be heard just in case.

TWAW

Well they dealt with the pandemic ,I'm not saying that it was in anyway perfect or that mistakes were not made ,but no country got everything right whilst Keir Starmer, just whinged and moaned and then ultimately agreed with restrictions and wanted them to go on for longer.

Thank you for summing up so well why so many people feel sidelined by the Labour Party.

This mantra of "if you don't agree with us on any issue you're a Tory" and the gratuitous sense of moral superiority is precisely why members of the electorate who "should" be Labour voters are turned off by this type of rhetoric.

It's utterly Orwellian - you must think like us or you are a deviant.

It leaves no room for discussion or debate - deliberately because that would uncover the absolute absurdity of some of the Labour leadership's policies/ideals.

Because the Labour Party love spending other people’s’ money. Badly. And overtaxing the middle classes. Oh and most of them can’t define a woman. (Aside from Rosie obviously)

It’s an open goal for Labour but they won’t protect women. Why?

If they can so easily burn us to appease a mad, violent arm of the rainbow crowd then they are not just unelectable, they’re dangerous.

It reminds me of that Niemoller poem ‘First they came for…’

@MarshaBradyo
The irony of you calling someone a political bot 😂
I see you haven't actually addressed the point though; people aren't voting Labour because they're Conservatives, nothing to do with trans issues or any other issue on which the Tories are no better. We know the Conservatives are the party of moneyed self-interest and folk don't want to admit to it.

@MarshaBradyo.
Unfortunately telling people what to think, what they should be thinking is a hall mark of modern Labour supporters.

Well they dealt with the pandemic

That's not very exact.....

To be honest, this thread is a waste of time because the Tory supporters will overlook the Government's shortcomings and bleat about Starmer's whinging. Labour supporters will point out all the evidence of the Government's mishandling and misdemeanours but the Tory voters will refuse to believe it. Waste of time.

Nothing will stop me voting Labour... Our society needs a compassionate, fair and intelligent government... Keir Starmer is a safe pair of hands, and he puts the country before his own and his colleagues personal betterment. Please don't think that Tories' expensive education equals quality leadership - they are a bunch of entitled, selfish and incompetent numpties, not to be trusted. Those who say "ee never hear what Labour's policies are" need to avoid the Daily Fail and examine the policies - all available on line - and we all need to appreciate the difference between the parties. Tories will never help the old, the poor, schools, hospitals, unions, tenants, European trade... They only really want to help big business cronies that can profit hugely from our society. Voting Tory does not level up communities... They make false promises to people to convince them they will be part of the elite... They never will be.

No irony at all. Obviously I’m not a ‘bot’. It’s just a lazy insult from Labour loyalists as you are.

It is tiresome and pointless and I have no idea why you think I’m interested in discussing anything more with you.

Labour activists are all over every thread spreading their jibes and insults which is a shame as for once people could post with insight on this thread. And if you weren’t so focussed on calling me names you’d see many more posters have said similar re why they won’t vote Labour.

Anyway mn and Labour activist is a shite mix and I cba.

@BreadInCaptivity
No need to take offence; just admit you don't vote Labour because at heart you're a Tory. You don't have to make up specious excuses. The country is in its worst state since the 80s and, unsurprisingly, people are protecting what they see as their financial self-interest.

I thought on one mn thread they’d just not do the same old…

Best thing to do is not rise to it

its hard though 😀

I don't know what any of these acronyms means, and cba to Google - but Labour don't seem to know what a woman is.

Plus they are anti-semitic.

And they want to torpedo private schools, without having any kind of plan for how they would educate the children whose parents are priced out, and who are currently not taking up places at state schools.

The smug moral superiority implied by voting Labour.

FWIW, I'd vote for any party who had been anti-lockdown and anti-Brexit. Sadly no party falls into either of these categories, apart from the Lib Dems re Brexit. Though they were conspicuously quiet about lockdown.

@MarshaBradyo still not addressing the point I see. You were the one who started the name calling and then have the cheek to accuse me of insults. I don't care whether you want to discuss it with me or not, I understand the mindset of voting for your perceived financial self-interest, I don't understand the reluctance to admit it.

So typical but yep 😀

UWhatNow · Today 21:01
It’s an open goal for Labour but they won’t protect women. Why?

If they can so easily burn us to appease a mad, violent arm of the rainbow crowd then they are not just unelectable, they’re dangerous

It reminds me of that Niemoller poem ‘First they came for…’

They have treated the Labour Women’s Declaration in their own party very badly too, and Labour Rosie Duffield in particular. Then this year Rosie was shouted at by Labour Russell-Moyle in a very unpleasant way during a debate about the Scottish gender reforms.
www..com/commentisfree/2023/jan/28/forget-andrew-tate-what-about-the-host-of-misogynists-in-labours-ranks

And if they get in next, which polls suggest ,they want to persevere with making women matter less and less as a category.
To do what we can to slow this down, it’s worth helping with this,
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2

At the moment. A lack of general election is what's stopping me!

They are far from perfect, but they are the only feasible choice for me right now

@Hobbi poster like you are the reason people won't vote Labour. But if that makes you happy go for it, let's face it all us so called tories will just read what you type and think yep typical Laybore supporter.

What gibberish. You won't vote Labour because you're a Tory. No other reason. Oh, and, 'Laybore'? Very mature.

Agreed, they're not a great opposition at the moment, but the current government is one of the most regressive and divisive of the modern era, but strangely Labour have to be perfect to replace them.

Despite being adopted at conference, they refuse to support a fair democratic voting system.
My local labour MP has a stonking majority but doesn't support PR, so like many votes across the nation, my vote counts for nothing.

Back in the real world people aren’t always loyal to one party.

There’s no point in setting people up as one type of voter as parties have found out they can lose by a huge margin or win a landslide.

If you voted Corbyn at last GE you’re likely fairly loyal to Labour as not many did. It’s those that voted say Blair and also Johnson that are more up for grabs.

Choice. My choice over voting, the fact they wish to restrict it for the electorate.

Plus my father was Jewish, I remember the winter if discontent and a illegal war against Iraq combined with the disingenuousness of BLiar.

Having said that, the Tories did themselves no favours over the mismanagement of Covid but had Labour been in we'd have been locked down harder and for longer and there would have been even less teaching/socialisation for children.

Plus I believe in a relatively free market and low taxation and that anyone who can work shoukd work if they need money.