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To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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Winniethepoohandtiggertoo · 06/03/2023 09:21

No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

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DrMarciaFieldstone · 06/03/2023 18:36

Inability to understand what a woman is, erosion of women’s rights and safe spaces.

Keir is absolutely devoid of any charisma, but the single issue is women, for me.

Also the tolerant left instructing people that we must vote labour just pushes me the other way

anythinginapinch · 06/03/2023 18:37

Their position on sex. I've always voted Labour - and I'm Methuselah - but I will not be voting for them until that changes. Will spoil ballot paper with regret ,

AldiorLidl · 06/03/2023 18:37

They don't know what a woman is.

They were pathetic in the pandemic.

Sockloon · 06/03/2023 18:38

Exasperatednow · 06/03/2023 18:35

Offs.

A Conservative mp called someone a Liberal metropolitan elite because they posted a picture of empty food shelves. Do you really think they have your back?

Thanks for proving my point, I never said whom I voted yet you say, do you think they have your back. Right on qué thanks for proving my point.

Labour must be good because the conservatives are shit mantra, try harder. Labour a just as much as a shit show. 😂

darjeelingrose · 06/03/2023 18:38

I'm genuinely pissed off with Labour for being so rubbish. I don't know who I can vote for, I'm not going to vote Conservative and the Lib Dems are worse than Labour, but I'm still not going to vote Labour for all the reasons listed.

ISaySteadyOn · 06/03/2023 18:39
  1. They don't want my vote. As a pp said, if they don't want Karen Ingala Smith, they certainly don't want me.
  1. Their stance on women's rights.
  1. That I can't remember a Labour politician who had anything at all nice or positive to say about the UK. How can I trust them to have the country's interests at heart if they loathe it?
  1. I live in a Labour safe seat so however I vote will make no difference.

And this does not mean I will vote Tory. I have no idea who to vote for.

twitterexile · 06/03/2023 18:39

The LP has also truly been the worst opposition party I can remember. Talk about missing an open goal...

Exasperatednow · 06/03/2023 18:40

Did anyone see what kemi badenoch said about menopausal women? Or the complete lack of any reasonable descernible plan on childcare? Or reasonabke wages for public sector workers/carers - the majority of whom are female (would the pay be so bad if it was staffed by men?) Are you sure the Conservatives have your back? Or are we just convenient?

L1ttledrummergirl · 06/03/2023 18:40

For me it's the stance on twaw. Saying that, the conservatives have done much harm to womens rights, not to mention the economy, employment rights, mis management of brexit, lying, breaking the law with impunity, filling the house of Lords with idiots... I could go on.

The conservatives are the bigger immediate danger to the country and my conservative MP is rubbish so I will probably be voting labour. I can battle on for womens rights not to be eroded with labour in charge if needed.

SheldontheWonderSchlong · 06/03/2023 18:42

The TWAW gaslighting.
The way that Rosie Duffield has been treated.
That I can't trust them with mine and my daughter's and mother's rights.

Exasperatednow · 06/03/2023 18:43

Sockloon · 06/03/2023 18:38

Thanks for proving my point, I never said whom I voted yet you say, do you think they have your back. Right on qué thanks for proving my point.

Labour must be good because the conservatives are shit mantra, try harder. Labour a just as much as a shit show. 😂

Given that we are essentially a two party state that's pretty much the option of chosing to vote one way or not. Its naive to think otherwise. If we had proportional representation it would be different. Personally I'd like a movement of decent independents.

Quisquam · 06/03/2023 18:43

I will vote Labour. I heard the Conservatives say around 2008, that the Opposition don’t have to produce any policies (until an election) - all they have to do is criticise the government. So, I don’t get why pp are criticising Labour for not producing any policies, now or during Covid?

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 06/03/2023 18:44

Basic human decency, quite frankly...

Exasperatednow · 06/03/2023 18:44

L1ttledrummergirl · 06/03/2023 18:40

For me it's the stance on twaw. Saying that, the conservatives have done much harm to womens rights, not to mention the economy, employment rights, mis management of brexit, lying, breaking the law with impunity, filling the house of Lords with idiots... I could go on.

The conservatives are the bigger immediate danger to the country and my conservative MP is rubbish so I will probably be voting labour. I can battle on for womens rights not to be eroded with labour in charge if needed.

This.
I dint think we'll have many rights left if we font have change. You certainly won't have the right to protest.

Suzi888 · 06/03/2023 18:45

“They were pathetic in the pandemic.” Yeah the Tory’s smashed it didn’t they 😳
I’ll never vote Tory so Labour it is. They’re all in for themselves anyway.

Tessabelle74 · 06/03/2023 18:45

I want to hear ACTUAL plans not just KS shouting the opposite of whatever the Tories say. I'm not sure how in going to to vote tbh, are the Monster Raving Loonies putting in a candidate?

LakieLady · 06/03/2023 18:45

Living in a Tory/LD marginal.

There's no point in voting Labour here, so I vote LD in the hope of getting the (utterly useless) Tory MP out.

It worked from 1997-2015.

Nanny0gg · 06/03/2023 18:47

beguilingeyes · 06/03/2023 15:31

Spending less...great...where do you want to start?
Social care? Schools? Nurses? The Justice System? Fewer libraries?
The Tories spending less is what for is into this mess. If we want a decent society we need to pay for it. Austerity is a horrible policy.

Not spending less. Spending wisely.

There is no question that state-owned services spend money like water.

And whilst Anneliese Dodds is anywhere near women's rights policies I'm not interested.

twitterexile · 06/03/2023 18:51

And whilst Anneliese Dodds is anywhere near women's rights policies I'm not interested

Very good point.

Exasperatednow · 06/03/2023 18:55

Tessabelle74 · 06/03/2023 18:45

I want to hear ACTUAL plans not just KS shouting the opposite of whatever the Tories say. I'm not sure how in going to to vote tbh, are the Monster Raving Loonies putting in a candidate?

You do realise that we're nearly about 22 months away from an election, don't you? Only an idiot would put all their plans out there for the opposition to steal. As they have already.

And they have put one out already - the green economy. I'm actually not particularly keen on labour or any party but I do know that I definitely won't be looking for reason to continue the last 13 years.

Exasperatednow · 06/03/2023 18:57

Anyway, if we don't have change we might as well live in a dictatorship. Personally I'd like a more benign and less toxic one.

Vinniepolis · 06/03/2023 19:21

I would never vote Labour (even before TWAW) - I believe in a small State, individual responsibility not collectivism, equal opportunities not outcomes, etc. So, on paper, Conservatives are more my bag - except I just can’t bring myself to vote for them either… (I’ll be a first-time voter in 2024.)

ScrollingLeaves · 06/03/2023 19:47

Exasperatednow · Today 18:57
Anyway, if we don't have change we might as well live in a dictatorship. Personally I'd like a more benign and less toxic one

The alternative one has ‘no debate’ in it, and 1984 non-speak, and is gender identity ideology ridden.

Try to mitigate against self-ID GRCs for all and sundry now
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2

Spanielsarepainless · 06/03/2023 19:54

Trans stuff and thus throwing women's rights under a 'bus.
Jeremy Corbyn still lurking.
Diane Abbott
Diane Abbott
Diane Abbott
Starmer and his piggy eyes and greasy hair.
No policies except around trans stuff.
Their attitude towards true working people, regarding them as the architects of Brexit, slavery, homophobia, racism and all the other stuff that fills the minds (presuming they have them - a long shot, I know) of the chattering socialists of the London suburbs, with their electric cars and children in private schools.
They are hypocrites to the bone.

Exasperatednow · 06/03/2023 20:00

Spanielsarepainless · 06/03/2023 19:54

Trans stuff and thus throwing women's rights under a 'bus.
Jeremy Corbyn still lurking.
Diane Abbott
Diane Abbott
Diane Abbott
Starmer and his piggy eyes and greasy hair.
No policies except around trans stuff.
Their attitude towards true working people, regarding them as the architects of Brexit, slavery, homophobia, racism and all the other stuff that fills the minds (presuming they have them - a long shot, I know) of the chattering socialists of the London suburbs, with their electric cars and children in private schools.
They are hypocrites to the bone.

I live in a rural area and dont recognise pretty anything you say. Generalisations are how we've got into this mess.

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