To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

Ha Dumped

Spending less...great...where do you want to start?
Social care? Schools? Nurses? The Justice System? Fewer libraries?
The Tories spending less is what for is into this mess. If we want a decent society we need to pay for it. Austerity is a horrible policy.

Austerity did real damage.

However who ever gets in we will spend more and have fewer in working population to tax because of demographics.

Keir Starmer.
TWAW and the erosions of women’s identities and rights.
Lack of anything that looks like a solid policy.

I suspect it’ll be a spoilt paper from me too.

'The politics of envy'. How I hate that phrase. It's like 'champagne sociaist', heaven forbid we should want a more equal society based on merit rather than money.
The horrible cabal of ex-public schoolboys who think they are born to rule have done some appalling things. They give the impression that most of us are beneath their contempt.
Whatever happened to public service?

TWAW

Hi Owen 👋🏻

I'm a socialist and pretty much life long Labour voter. I even used to be a party member. I won't be voting for them at the next election because they say they believe TWAW. Anyone that actually states that TWAW is either A/ lying or B/ stupid and as such I don't want people who believe in this crap to be running the country.

The politics of envy was an insult thrown at union members in the Eighties when we were all supposed to be champagne-swilling, coke-snorting yuppies.

Now I'm middle-aged the same tactics are used by the same people only towards those of us who can see our decent pay and working conditions being eroded but luckily are in a position to resist it.

Envy is never an attractive quality.

Bollocks!

The refusal to protect women's rights and the misogyny implied by that. Almost as importantly, the abandonment of material reality/enlightenment values and the speed with which it's happened has completely shaken my faith in the bedrock stuff. If this, then what else?

I too was a party member and have voted Labour all my life.

I read that as Wednesdaysotherchild's reason as to why they aren't voting Labour :)

No dear, it means we’re not extreme left.

Full apology @Wednesdaysotherchild

TWAW is an obvious problem.

Besides that, Labour tends to take a state heavy approach. The state provision of public services is vital for a healthily functioning society and economy and the past 13 years that has been drained to our detriment. Target culture also diverts resources from primary functions going beyond the fundamentals of accountability. This has gone out of hand in the past 20 years and both the Conservatives and New Labour have led us doen this route. Labour is ideologically driven towards a heavy state role in society. This is why their opposition in the Covid years was "lock down harder" (as seen in Wales and the socialist SNP) and they still come out with outdated chestnuts like penalising private education (I have no skin in that game) or re-nationalising the railways. National railways were not some golden era, maintainence was poor, rolling stock was ancient, safety was poorer. Are things perfect now? No, but I have no faith that nationalisation would lead to substantial improvements.

Mainly it's that ideology overrides pragmatism. That applies to their fingers in their ears over TWAW and the devestating consequences that leaves gaping loopholes in safeguarding for preditory males to plough through and exploit while wearing a wig and lipstick.

I'm centerist, but the success of the Conservatives in general elections is that it's a party of survival of the fittest or at least the most ambitious and tenacious and it's easier for them to be reactive, switch direction and appeal to enough voters to win on most elections.

Labour should be wiping the floor with the Conservatives and they're not despite the absolute gift of the state of the UK at present. If they can't even look like a credible opposition beyond obvious criticism, how can they persuade disatisfied voters from the rest of the political spectrum to vote for them, not to mention haemorraging their established core voters.

I live in Wales. We've got our own shit show of a government, and they wear a red rosette.

Nothing, it cannot be worse than the last thirteen years.

Starmer may not be the most charismatic leader but I much prefer him to Johnson or Truss.

This honestly made me laugh because bollocks is the perfect response to why TWaren'tW

Fear for my private pension (also DH's). It's not a lot, but Corbyns idea to give shares to the workers would have been giving away my savings.

We're led by a man who's confirmed starting point is that a transwoman is a woman who works in conjunction with a man who wants surrogacy wombs for hire to be easier for gay men to obtain.

The only time being an actual woman is useful to these men is when they can carry a child for them. The rest of the time it's fine to declare a woman can have a penis just how Adam Price can balance that without disappearing up his own arse I have no idea

Hence the need to increase productivity, as that is the only way to afford the services people want and to stop the decline in real-terms salaries. But nobody is engaging with those issues either in the Labour party, or on this thread.

I'll vote for whoever gets the tories out in my area. So Lib dem. By taking us out of the single market the tories have lost the country 40 billion per year. They can never again claim to be the party that does what's best for the economy www.itv.com/news/2022-12-20/brexit-costs-government-40-billion-a-year-in-lost-tax-revenue

They've also wrecked state schools and the NHS. They've squandered an enormous amount of money. I assume they must think there's a magic money tree.

I'll vote for whoever gets the tories out in my area. So Lib dem. By taking us out of the single market the tories have lost the country 40 billion per year. They can never again claim to be the party that does what's best for the economy www.itv.com/news/2022-12-20/brexit-costs-government-40-billion-a-year-in-lost-tax-revenue

They've also wrecked state schools and the NHS. They've squandered an enormous amount of money. I assume they must think there's a magic money tree.

ApricotLime
By taking us out of the single market the tories have lost the country 40 billion per year

According to the Centre for European Reform - but ITV forgot to mention that the CER is a pro-EU think-tank;

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Their apparent inability to know what a woman is and their preference for pandering to men than protecting women’s rights.

I have been a life long labour voter but not anymore over this issue