To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

[Winniethepoohandtiggertoo]

No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

It is that Labour are going to bring in self-ID for transgender people instead of keeping the existing checks and balances for getting a Gender Recognition Certificate which changes someone’s
sex in law.

It will mean that this already questionable ‘legal’ fiction - that allows someone to even change their sex on their birth certificate, and gives them more rights in law than someone of that actual sex if a discrimination litigation case arises - something which was originally thought would help about 5000 people who were transsexuals who committed even to surgery to make themselves approximate the opposite sex,
will massively increase in numbers in a new climate where ‘changing gender’ has become like a life style choice with a very wide umbrella, with very few men who now say they are women having had surgery.

Meanwhile, the Equality Act which protects 9 characteristics from discrimination, one of which is ‘Sex’, is no longer able in practice to differentiate between someone who is a biological woman, and a man who says he is a woman and has no GRC. It can also affect things the other way round.

The Equality Act also protects Gender Reassignment which is extremely free and easy about what a change of gender means. It can just be an ‘intention’. Or, see the rapist in the image below -a wig, leggings, lipstick and an ‘intention’ does the job.

Stonewall and other lobby groups have pushed this as being more important than sex, so that in practice lots of organisations avoid providing the single sex spaces the Equality Act is supposed to allow through exceptions, and treat this sort of ‘gender’ as sex. (This male rapist who says he is a woman was put in a women’s prison until a public outcry got him into a men’s)

The Equality Act has lost its ability to protect certain sex based spaces like Prisons, refuges, rape crisis centres etc
from fear of litigation. This has had a chilling effect. Women and girls are losing rights, protections and provisions and even words to describe them.

The GRA was created without enough care by Labour in 2004. Followed by a Labour rushed through Equality Act in 2010. Various sections conflict.

Kier Starmer wants to make it far worse again, without care and thought as to how protect women’s dignity, privacy, safety and mitigations.

In advance of this bringing in of self -ID, or to change things for the better under this Government, please consider looking at this. The aim is to update the Equality Act to make clear that male and female of any age (e.g sex in the Act) is biological sex not sex as modified by a Gender Recognition Certificate.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2

ScrollingLeaves · Today 13:59
“Meanwhile, the Equality Act which protects 9 characteristics from discrimination, one of which is ‘Sex’, is no longer able in practice to differentiate between someone who is a biological woman, and a man who says he is a woman and has no GRC”

I meant to say a man who says he is a woman and has a GRC.

The thread confirms that Gender Critical means right wing..

They hate women.

They're insufferably woke and intolerant of other views.

Can't trust them to safeguard children.

They have no common sense.

They're ruled by their ideology, some of which I find quite sinister.

The Tories are equally as bad. I don't bother voting anymore.

You need to test your critical thinking facilities.

This thread means that there are a lot of women who want to vote for the left, but the left abandoned them.

Disingenuous faith purity bollocks.

Women are leaving Labour because of their inability to represent women as a sex class and the inherent misogyny in that position.

Because they are gobshites
Because they do not know what a woman is.
Because they jump on every woke bandwaggon
Because they do not know how to think and are stupid enough to believe that the silent majority think a man can be a woman and that racism is under every bed.
Because they do not like Jews
because of Angela Raynor who is a great big gormless nasty loudmouth, who talks shit and who wears hair extensions more suitable for My Little Pony

So OP, you can take all that to your paymasters in the Labour Party and hope it helps with the task they have given you-find out what the Mumsnet Woman Thinks of Us and What Do We Need To Do To Convince Those Who Are Undecided.

Twaw.

Their stance on women's rights. I refuse to vote against the interests of my daughters and granddaughters.

lovely victim blaming there! We're still all left wing. The left wing LEFT US, not us leaving them.

On account of us not wanting male bodied people in our spaces on the male bodied people's say so.

I don't want to vote Tory. I have never voted Tory in my life. I am appalled at the way they stir up hatred, are running down the NHS and have spaffed billions on Brexit and dodgy PPE contracts.

However I seem to be stuck with either people who I know are backstabbing arseholes, or people who are pretending to be Mr Nice but who are also misogynistic arseholes.

I don’t think that’s true.

I’ve seen loads of left leaning posters frustrated or more with Labour’s position on women’s rights.

I do think parties to the left are more likely to push gender ideology though. Not all women want it, whether left or right.

So OP, you can take all that to your paymasters in the Labour Party and hope it helps with the task they have given you-find out what the Mumsnet Woman Thinks of Us and What Do We Need To Do To Convince Those Who Are Undecided.

These threads come up quite regularly and you'd think the Labour Party would read them to understand why they're just not winning elections. All this feedback and it's available free! But nothing changes -I suspect they'll lose the next election too and deservedly so, but that just leaves us without a credible opposition.

Utter tosh…

It really doesn't.

I don't give 2 fucks about the tiny tiny majority but i bloody do care about the country my very young Granddaughters will live in as adults.

I have never voted Conservative in my life, nor will I. (Nor have I ever voted elsewhere on the right, before you make assumptions.) My issue is not wanting to vote Labour again, because it is riddled with TRA nutjobs of limited intelligence.

You silly billy.

These threads come up quite regularly and you'd think the Labour Party would read them to understand why they're just not winning elections. All this feedback and it's available free! But nothing changes -I suspect they'll lose the next election too and deservedly so, but that just leaves us without a credible opposition.

What tends to happen in those threads is lots of posters aggressively going on about how great Labour are doing in the polls and fingers in ears at anything else - which TBF they are clearly ahead - but I'm not sure that will automatically translate into actual votes and seats.

TWAW doesn't put me off enough - there are other issues, basically rescuing the public sector including the NHS from years of cuts. Cannot understand the loathing for Starmer - he has a good political record.

Excellent, I'm very pleased to hear it. I very much look forward to voting for Labour again once they've rid themselves of this egregious misogynist nonsense.

Even if you're right then .... so what??

OP: Well, Keir I did start a thread on Mumsnet as you asked.

Keir: What did you discover?

Op: A lot of them are saying they won't vote Labour as they are worried about Women's Rights and fear of being erased in some way.

Keir: Ah, you mean they're anti trans bigots.

Op. Yes. Disgusting I know.

Keir: We know that but despite that there is a lot of noise coming from the Trans Lobby and their allies.

Op: Do you think there will be enough of them to make up for the fact that we might not get a lot of women's votes?

Keir: Oh yes! After all, those bigots are even been told off on your research thread by allies who are calling them out on their bigotry.

The Day After the Election

Op: Where did it all go wrong, Keir. I even started that Mumsnet thread, remember,.

Keir: I know and I can't understand it. There are more people in favour of transrights than those old Karens- so much more nose in favour than against

Op: I should have mentioned Keir, that when I went to where the pro trans noise is coming from, it was only a handful but they did have a lot of pots and pans and made a lot of noise.

When I looked at the anti trans bigots, they didn't have a lot of pots and pans so not much noise but there were millions of them.

Keir. So are you saying we listened to the wrong lot-the small group with nosey instruments and not to the silent crowd.

Op.: Yes, I think so.

Keir: Well, we lost the Election but we will stand with the Pro Trans lobby and pour insults on The Karens.

Op: Will that make The Karens vote for us next time.

Keir: Oh Yes! For us, it is a matter of principal and we will lose elections with our hearts intact.

Being happy to give away women's rights to men in dresses

Spending less...great...where do you want to start?
Social care? Schools? Nurses? The Justice System? Fewer libraries?
The Tories spending less is what for is into this mess. If we want a decent society we need to pay for it. Austerity is a horrible policy.

@DumpedinKilburn