Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

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Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

Australia have the right idea not soft like this government.

This. There really is a simple solution to all this, that this lousy Government will not take.

@Threelefthands You struggle with being able to process what is being written don't you?

Left wing??? common sense can be cross party.

I said a potential 5m HK, we owe them nothing, anymore than we owe 1bn Indians or millions of Kenyans.

We changed the law to allow HK Chinese to come here and as i said, not British or they would have access to Benefits, they don't.

So far (as i said) over 100k HK have come here, many are older, a lot older, often the younger wealthy are staying in HK, the several HK i know, are living with relatives, elderly and 2 are needing social care!

UK signed up to FOM, we had several GE's which supported FOM, many Europeans returned to their home countries and they really were young, educated and hard working, now they aren't here, we see all these Labour shortages.

It has become a game the government plays. they know that they cannot stop it but they need to be made to be seen to be trying to stop it. Labour will be no better.

It’s the skin colour

If all the people in boats stopped coming from today, would those people demonstrating magically no longer need to use foodbanks (not sure how you know so much about their personal circs or how they voted btw)? Would the price of their food and energy reduce? No.

"Any politician who tells you that the solution to a problem is to make it “more illegal” is usually a fraud, an imbecile or both." - the Secret Barrister

It's horrific. The most desperate people will be penalised forever.

We have relatives in ME helping refugee camps for last decade. The actual most desperate people are stuck there....

Seriously, that's not why our public services are under pressure.

Maybe we could vacate the Scilly isles and put them there?

It’s not extreme. It’s about time and is exactly what’s needed. It is not our job to look after the worlds citizens, it is our job to look after our own.

They could get on a. Wizzair plane and apply at customs but of course won’t get in unless entitled. They could apply in their own country then get the wizzair flight once they are given asylum.

Labour puff and blow - w they say deal with the gamgs of traffickers ….. but don’t say HoW they’ll deal with the traffickers.

imv unless Labour come up with a workable policy they aren’t going to sweep in at the next election as predicted.

"It's time we looked after our own! So, er, keep voting tory. They have a good track-record of that!"

Can this be retrospective so we can get rid of Johnson, Sunak, Patel and Braverman?

That is one success story.

Contrast that with those Albanians, most of whom are fit young men, coming over in boats and then running off to join the drugs cartels as soon as they land.

No, it won't stop people coming. It will make no difference whatsoever.

Even if these immigrants could legally work they would be forced to take on low paid work so will be taking more from the system than giving back.

How would they be taking more from the system? It's not just about tax payments. We have a desperate shortage of low-skilled workers - ask anyone in the.hospitality and care sectors; there are over 130,000 vacancies in the NHS, mostly in jobs like cleaning, catering and laundry.

Language is important- they are not chanel migrants they are asylum seekers. Its extremely doubtful that they would be put off because they are either desperate enough to be on the boat in the first place, or they are a child and aren't sure why they're on the boat but are trusting their family knows what they were doing when they got them out of the country. Obviously noone wants to be supporting people trafficking due to its exploitative nature, but equally a lot of people in very scary and dangerous positions feel they've no other way to get out of their country of origin safely. And at its core, everyone should be free to claim asylum and the UK takes in a really small rate of asylum seekers compared to other countries. We could absolutely do more.

No-one actually thinks this will work. It's why Braverman's personal polling is so bad - even the rabid tory base is disillusioned with failed promises.

..and Raab?

And do you know why the kindertransport were unaccompanied children?

Because the UK refused to allow their parents to come here. The vast majority of whom were murdered by the Nazis soon after. Including members of my family.

Those parents sent their unaccompanied young children away, knowing it would almost certainly be forever.

And the kindertransport only happened because of Jewish organisations. It was not wonderful example of British altruism.

Running off to join or being coerced to join?

Running off to join or feeling they've no choice but to join given the hostile nature of the asylum process in the UK?

I don't think they are skipping off merrily the way you'd suggest.

How are they going to get on a plane without all the right paperwork?

How are they going to apply from Yemen? Syria, Afghanistan?

I'd rather not think you are stupid so it must be me, please explain how?

Millions of voters don't have immigration at the top of their agenda. Unless something extremely unexpected happens, the Tories are toast and they know it. That's why they are proposing unworkable, populist policies.

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