Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

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Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

I am impressed that you managed to work out what Braverman was talking about. I didn't bother trying today, because past experience tells me I usually fail.

Nope, wrong by any measure.

I'm against it just as i'm against spending my lottery winnings before i actually win.
The policy is unworkable, it simply will not work because no matter how long you detain anyone (and where will they be detained?) there is no country to deport the migrants too, Rwanda will take a max of 200.

So its just hot air - again!

BTW its Judges that decide on a case, not a lawyer, not even a lefty one, unless you think Judges are lefties too?

Are these the same lefties as the lefty hedge fund managers that made Liz Truss crash the economy?

You tell me? you came out with all these figures!

But if 40k people crossed the channel but there were 89k asylum applications, i assume they came here by other means?

I work for a human rights charity and can confirm you’re bang on. I actually had to pause from gorging on tax payer cash to write this. We never do any work and laugh constantly at what mugs british voters are. 😂

I found this

twitter.com/ColinYeo1/status/1633112909164212225?t=ta-_doLH7q19hwIcgp8dHQ&s=19

In the meantime, while we're all waiting, here's a slide I made for a talk I was going to give on Thursday that I'll probably now need to change. Small boat arrivals represented about 15% of international protection arrivals in 2022. All irregular arrivals was still only 29%.

I reckon they probably crossed the North Sea, Irish Sea, or Atlantic Ocean to get here if they didn't cross the Channel.

I just found a source and pasted it. They’re not mine 😬

The original point was it’s Brexit and I found they were higher in 2002 pre Brexit and global increased displacement was said to be cause of large increase by refugee council, in last year or so.

You have to have a protected characteristic to have any human rights nowadays. That excludes the small percentage of us on here who haven’t sought out some kind of diagnosis to obtain one.

Again, bang on. Say you’re british these days and you’ll get thrown in prison. Literally.

It’s yet another distraction technique. It staggers me that so many are gullible enough to swallow the whole, ‘we’re a tiny island, we’re full, our services can’t support any more people’ narrative spouted by our vile government. The reason why our services are unable to cope isn’t because of the small number of people seeking sanctuary here but rather because of the way the conservative government has systematically defunded and run down services over the last 13 years. The people on the boats are just the scapegoats for that, of course it’s not down to them, but they serve as a useful focus for people’s rightful anger about not being able to get a doctor’s appointment or somewhere affordable to live.

Are you a man or a woman?
Do you have an age?
Are you married or unmarried?
Do you have a religon or none?

If you can answer any of those questions then you have protected characteristics.

Now I don't have any of those because I am an alien, which means I have alien rights not human rights.

But you will get a fair trial and be spared torture, death penalty and being sold into slavery

Interestingly, if the Greenland ice sheet melts, and we're already at the central estimate of temperature increase where that could be triggered, large parts of the south east could find itself either under water or experiencing consistent and extreme flooding.

Wouldn't it just be delightfully ironic if, 40/50 years from now thousands upon thousands of British xenophobes are desperately trying to migrate to more hospitable lands? I certainly hope they'll remember their stance today if still alive, do the honourable thing, and stay put.

Do you have dc?

Nope, why?

Mail and Telegraph front pages tomorrow: ‘Lineker in trouble for comparing govt plan to nazis’

Not sure there were precisely the optics Sunak and co. were gunning for.

Gammon

Plenty of people who claim to have children express reprehensible views on here all the time.

Having reproduced doesn't confer some automatic moral high ground.

Agreed. It’s only acceptable to joke about climate change displacement if it happens in the southern hemisphere.

I don’t think I’ve seen many joke about climate change, except in pp. I wouldn’t re southern or northern hemisphere

I never got to see @lollipoprainbow's post so no idea of the
content, but if I am the pp who you say was joking about climate change, I wasn't joking. It would be delightfully ironic if thousands of Brits were forced from their homes and needed somewhere safe to move too but were instead faced with the same stance they've taken on claimimg asylum now.

Also why did you want to know whether I had children or not?

Nobody has been able to explain to me why, having crossed through several safe and wealthy countries, these people are then willing to risk their lives and their children’s to cross to the U.K. Something about having friends here or a cousin? Really, you would risk your kid’s life for that? It’s bloody stupid, and I don’t think the U.K. should be taking on moral responsibility for these foolhardy and mad decisions.

This is something I also don’t quite get.
Wanting to move to a country where you have some relatives and friends and/or speak the language a bit is understandable - but is it reason enough to put yourself and your children into dodgy little boats when you’re already in another safe country?
As it happens I come from a family of immigrants who faced a similar situation many years ago - there was an option to immigrate to a country where my family had some friends and also had some basic knowledge of the language spoken there. It didn’t work out, said country stopped accepting new applications and my family had the option to move to an entirely different country where none of them spoke the language. They didn’t insist on their first choice just because they had some connections there.

@inamarina Nobody has been able to explain to me why, having crossed through several safe and wealthy countries, these people are then willing to risk their lives and their children’s to cross to the U.K. Something about having friends here or a cousin?

I don't get this either - am I missing something here?

Really, you would risk your kid’s life for that? It’s bloody stupid, and I don’t think the U.K. should be taking on moral responsibility for these foolhardy and mad decisions.

I totally agree.
I would go a stage further and say that anyone who takes a child with them on one of these journeys should be arrested and tried for attempted filicide.