Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

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Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

Is there a good, accurate, breakdown of how much the people coming across actually cost (vs what the Mail tells us they cost). And how that looks after 1, 5 and 10 years after they arrive?

That would be the first thing I'd want to look at. Followed by what kind of jobs they do, or could do that are currently unfilled.
And where are they coming from? TBH the histroy of the UK has helped, in part, some of the refugee crisis, it isn't ok to wash their hands of it (yes, other countries also contributed, i would say the same to them, only most other countries haven't said they will do what the UK wants to do)

It will be interesting to see, 5, 10 and 15 years after such a measure is implemented how the NHS, schools and housing situation will be.

@Quveas politicians have spoken about the millions who would take the opportunity to come here but sadly we cannot feed or house people on sympathy alone. There will always be more people trying to come here, it wont just stop once the ones already in France have made it.

Exactly, countries like Turkey and Pakistan have taken in millions of refugees fro decades.
Too many people just believe the rabble-rousing Dail Mail type rhetoric

If they could apply for asylum from abroad then they could arrive in our country with the ability to work and self fund their accommodation. Instead we have no procedure in place for them to do that and have rules that say they are not allowed to work and must live off the pitifully low amount given by the government in hostels and hotels. Our government have created this situation not the asylum seekers.

Most of the people arriving in boats are 'gaming the system'. These people want to be anonymous so won't take the opportunity of using 'safe route' because then they would have to be checked and have identification, which is the last thing they want.

So 'safe routes' won't stop the boats coming.

The National Crime Agency is working hard behind the scenes to break up smuggling gangs:

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/albanian-people-smuggling-network-who-shipped-migrants-to-the-uk-from-spain-dismantled

People who blame asylum seekers for the pisspoor state of our public services have been gaslit by the government and the far-right.

Austerity-driven spending cuts and tax cuts for Tories' rich cronies and oligarch chums are at least in part to blame.

It’s strange how people hang off every soundbite and ‘news’ story. This is designed to give the illusion that something is being done. When nothing is. People really do believe anything.

@Thebestwaytoscareatory

We could vote for a government that's going to fund public services properly...yeah I know, there's more chance of the first two ideas happening than that.

If the removal of them is carried through then yes it will stop them .

It will also stop the trafficking by default because it would be a pointless exercise in taking the people across the channel if they were only to be turned around and sent elsewhere

What I don't get is these people are coming mostly from France , why the hell are they so desperate to get to the UK

@Thebestwaytoscareatory We could vote for a government that's going to fund public services properly...yeah I know, there's more chance of the first two ideas happening than that.

And where is the money going to come for that??

As Corbyn has gone we no longer have access to his 'magic money tree' 🙄

our service like dental and Nhs and education benefit hugely from being staffed by qualified and experienced refugees, who we didn't even have to fund the training of!

Services are buckling because of ‘our’ ineffective government. Don’t blame immigrants for Tory policies. Tories don’t want you to have an nhs. They kowtow to their rich friends who benefit beautifully from keeping the poorest in their place.

That's not a bad idea tbf, the generation that are now needing all this additional social / personal care as they reach old age completely failed to plan on how they'd fund it

they spent all their working lives paying tax and NI, and many of them in jobs with either no private pension scheme or no spare money to pay into a private pension scheme and now their 75 everyone is coming for them?

No wonder there is a generational tension with attitudes like this.

It will come from taxation. Taxing the ultra rich instead of them payonging less than the average worker through avoidance scenes and loopholes. Not pissing unlicensed money up the wall by giving contracts to their mates. That sort of thing. Don’t be drawn into this ‘ vote Tory because it’s better than the alternative’ you’ve been fed this shite by right wing ultra rich white bastards who couldn’t give a shit about the nhs.

@Threelefthands If you are Syrian in Syria there is no safe route, same with many other countries, safe routes simply don't exist unless you are HK (very strange as thats a very safe place) or Ukrainian.

20 Afghans via safe routes, '000s via x channel boats - SR's are not working.

How on earth can a UK agency break up smuggling gangs with no x border co operation?
We are out of all of the EU police agencies so its all very ad hoc and PR spin - "look at the fantastic UK Police" see it with Ukraine "UK led.." BS on weapons and training too.

Under the EU's Dublin Convention, we could send back failed migrants, hence the raise in x ch migration.

There are too many pull factors in the UK, not least the ability to disappear into their communities and get work.

Excuse the typos, I’m get angry about this shit.
’unlicensed’ should have said ‘public!’ Not sure how that happened!

As opposed to running out of hotel rooms. No onward accommodation and little awareness of the pressure that's putting on the rental prices being paid.
At least we're not being threatened with food, electricity and water shortages too.

Some truth in that but perhaps we need to look at the £65bn your Liz Truss cost the UK ?
Or Universal Energy support, handed to the very wealthy and millions more who don't need it.

Where did we find the £110bn and increasing cost of HS2 all to save 20mins, not too mention the environmental destruction.

What I don't get is these people are coming mostly from France , why the hell are they so desperate to get to the UK
Ah, nimbyism at its finest. I dunno, maybe they gave family here, maybe they have better English language skills. But it doesn’t matter why, the bigger question is why you think that, just because we are an island, they should stop at France! It’s always struck me as a selfish and stupid argument. Then why not Greece, or Italy, where they first enter Europe. Surely France and Germany could use that same argument?
As others have said, even Priti ‘Useless’ Patel admitted under scrutiny that there are no safe ways for refugees from Syria, Afghanistan, etc to apply for asylum. None. There is no other way for them to come here. None. Making formal asylum more accessible would be more likely to reduce numbers entering illegally. But that would lose the Tories votes, so they won’t do it.

Very many didn't pay all their lives. My MIL now in her 80's like many thousands of her generation, gave up work in her twenties to raise a family and never returned.

I think this is ridiculous. If the government had a genuine concern about small boats and people trafficking, they would simply offer safe passage, combined with a much more efficient system for processing asylum claims resulting in swift return for non-genuine claimants. It would put the criminals out of business at at stroke. The simple fact is that they are much more interested in what plays to the more batshit elements of the Mail readership.

That's not a bad idea tbf, the generation that are now needing all this additional social / personal care as they reach old age completely failed to plan on how they'd fund it.

My "boomer" generation grew up and started work in the legitimate expectation that there would be funding for our health and care needs. The first post-war government promised us care "from the cradle to the grave", and we paid much higher rates of income tax to pay for the care of the generations that came before us (lowest rate was 33% in the '70s).

And those of us who own our homes will be funding our own care for a good many years, because they will sell our homes to pay for it.

Boats have to stop, more children drowned off the coast of turkey recently. One was the same age as my daughter, it’s horrific. We need to work out a better asylum process, it is absolutely not ok for people to be getting on dinghies. I think many people just genuinely don’t know how dangerous it is. I imagine traffickers tell all sorts of lies to get people on the bloody death traps. There has to be a better way.

@GPTec1 If you are Syrian in Syria there is no safe route, same with many other countries

Now that's funny because in 2015 both Nicola Sturgeon and Yvette Cooper said they were both happy to accommodate a Syrian family. So there must have been a safe route to get them to UK.
However, that hasn't happened.

On the other hand the Archbishop of Canterbury took in a Syrian family into a 4 bedroom cottage in the grounds of Lambeth Palace.