Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

[LadyGAgain]

Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

According to Migration Watch many of those coming over via boats have already tried to claim asylum in Europe but have failed so they have no right to be in this country.

I like how nobodies solved the issue of why they aren't applying for visas correctly when they have thousands to pay traffickers.
Why is this constantly overlooked?

Very many didn't pay all their lives. My MIL now in her 80's like many thousands of her generation, gave up work in her twenties to raise a family and never returned.

JFC. She was married and paid in. And if you think that life for women who are now in their 80s was as easy as "marry, have kids, carry on working" i have some news for you. Not to mention that back when they were young women in the 60s having their families, one salary was enough for many families (either to buy or rent somewhere to live) and many companies wouldn't (and it was legal) employ married women.

Do you say that to modern SAHM that they don't contribute?

So what's your answer for all these feckless lazy sponging leeches of elderly women? Solyent green? Rawanda? a quick hypodermic of something fatal instead of their next flu jab? but the men are fine, right, because they contributed so much?

Last time I looked at the figures, 71% of asylum applications were successful. That leads me to conclude that the vast majority of claims are entirely legitimate.

And voting Tory has brought us a hard Brexit, which has cost the economy (and therefore the tax base) billions....

Why can't we have nice things? We spent it all on blue passports.

(There is also our mind-boggling productivity gap which has many factors including our underinvestment in skills, underinvestment in infrastructure, underinvestment in R&D and our mad insistence that spiralling commercial property prices are actually a public good...)

Can you lay out for me which visas they'd be applying for? The safe asylum route that they would be accessing?

Do you include older immigrants in your cull or is it just those born here? How about first or second generation immigrants, what’s the cut off point?

Carrying that much hate for people that you don’t even know that you want them culled isn’t really good for you. Will you personally be doing the culling or will you be expecting the army to be bayoneting their Grandmas?

If you decide on allocating us each an immigrant do I need to take another, I’ve already had one for over 30 years. The Rwanda option would work for us, my husband is always cold and our paltry pensions would go a long way over there 👍

tbh now the reality of Brexit and and a post pandemic world is becoming clearer this is a massive chance for the UK to reinvent itself.
To really rethink what it wants to look like, if "cradle to grave" is a pipeline dream, or if the (effectively) 2 party system of fairly opposing view, is conducive to something like that.

Should it look something more like the US where it is everyone for themselves and the devil take the hindmost? if you are born with life-limiting health issues, or develop an illness or have an accident that you are consigned to the scrapheap of the completely uninsured?
Or more like a higher-tay/higher-services and more socially equal society like Finland?

Do you want unfettered capitalism? or do you want there to be some control over the means of production (to use a well-known phrase) or a mixture, so that you have entrepreneurship, industry and the utilities are protected so that water isn't the shit-show (literally) that it is now?

This is your chance. Are you going to take it or are you going to focus on a few hundred people coming over in tiny boats?

Incidentally, the money is often scraped together over a broader family, often leaving those "at home" in penury, debt and possibly a lifetime of indentured servitude for them and their children. It isn't a picnic for anyone involved except the traffickers. And not those at the sharp end, they sometimes die in those boats too.

How do Syrian refugees get to the UK?

By contrast, it is not possible to apply for refugee resettlement. Instead, refugees are selected by the UN for resettlement, and transferred to the UK with the agreement of the Home Office, where they receive refugee status on arrival

These will be Syrians selected from camps OUTSIDE of Syria, which is exactly what i said.

Most Syrians here in the UK came here illegally, inc the Syrian Stroke Specialist who looked after my Mum when she went to AE with a stroke.

Yet you would ship her to Rwanda.

We hardly ever used the Dublin agreement even when we could anyway, now we've thrown it away.
Without going hand in hand with proper safe routes to apply this new legislation is simply victimisation.

It boils down to the Gov and their supporters don't want people to be able to apply via safe routes because then the only way to reduce numbers would be to admit that actually they don't want them here and don't care what the circumstances are.

Unless they've got loads of money of course.

Meanwhile thousands of people are sat on their arses in hotels for up to 2 years waiting to be processed, banned from working and contributing at tax payers expense.

Theres more applications to process but we actually processed LESS applications last year than the year before.

If this log jam isn't deliberate Gov policy it's gross incompetence, either/or.

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Well that will sort out the worlds problems won’t it.

The issues are that a ) we need to accept our responsibilities as a wealthy ( oh yes we are) and civilised nation for taking on some of the worlds problems whether this be supporting Ukraine or offering safety to displaced, threatened human beings so b) there needs to be a system whereby asylum claims can be made for the UK - if we don’t want people risking their lives in small boats then there needs to be a safe route through asylum application from outside the UK.

I find it pretty grim that we are happy to accept thieves, drug barons, gunrunners, corrupt politicians, despots and their hangers on from all over the world if they are able to magically produce a carrier bag stuffed full of £3 million of illicitly gained cash, no questions asked, but desperate people fleeing rape, sexual abuse, discrimination, imprisonment, torture etc are treated like scum.

71% of asylum claims were successful. In the UK - in France the figure is a lot lower. It all depends on where the bar is set.

France already takes way more refugees and immigrants than we do. If they can cope, why can't we? Why should we be immune from contributing just because we're an island?

? Syrians and Afghans are majority white countries too. And they have legal avenues to claim asylum from outside the U.K. same as Ukranians. Just ask anyone who hosted Syrian/Afghans in their homes.

We should have stopped this invasion of army age men years ago when it began. They're not, in the main, asylum seekers they are economic migrants. There is no war in Albania for example.

It is a disgusting idea.

As with the Rwanda plan, which had all the gammon creaming their pants, I bet this will not happen either. This is just our scum government throwing red meat to the bigots to distract them from the binfire that is the UK right now.

Are the 1000 of people recently seen demonstrating against these illegal economic migrants all in the wrong?

If you think they are, then you'd be happy to house a few?

There is no war in HK either but we have invited in 5m HK Chinese.

UK is sold as an Eldorado to migrants, so long as this myth exists, then economic migrants will come here, its too easy to work in the balck economy here.

HK was British until the 1990s. These are millions who were born with the right to British citizenship. It’s a completely different situation.

Since 1990-2022 Germany's population has increased by 4.6 million, France by 9.86 million and the UK by 10.26 million.

Germany is 2.3 times larger than the UK and France 1.5 times larger.

So for all those on here saying that we should have a legal route for those wanting to come to the UK, what would your cut off point be, and where are all these people going to be housed while they wait for their applications to be processed? It's easy to say speed up the he process but how do you know who is a genuine asylum seeker and someone who is an economic migrant when they don't have any paperwork?

we need to focus on the people traffickers.
If we continually allow trafficked people to stay, we're contributing to the illegal industry of human trafficking.

According to the Refugee Council, processing the asylum claims of those who crossed the Channel in small boats is proceeding at a snail’s pace. However by the end of 2022 62% of processed claims from this group resulted in a grant of asylum or other Leave to Remain.

I just knew someone would come out with the "well why don't you house them then". That is not the solution either. As we have seen with the Ukranians, housing refugees in ordinary people's homes can be fraught with difficulty and not everyone can do it.

Well said. While we should certainly help asylum seekers, it must be recognised we are not as wealthy nor do we have the resources or room of major mainland richer European countries. So our “fair share” must be adjusted downwards accordingly.