Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

[LadyGAgain]

Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

Genuine questions

Has Freedom of Movement made it easier for asylum seekers to reach the UK?

Pre FOM would they have been stopped and picked up/ detained whilst at the border of one of the many countries they need to travel to to reach the UK from Greece/Italy?

Also why do they destroy their ID/ passports? By doing this does it take longer to process them through the system?

And lastly would having ID cards in UK deter the small boats?

This is a really complex topic and needs many solutions of which I don't have - just questions. The thought of more people dying in small boats fills me with absolute horror there needs to be a solution.

"If you come to the UK illegally you will be DENIED access to the UK's modern slavery system" is pure comms genius. In his wildest dreams Armando Iannucci couldn't have dreamed that one up.

Small boats will go the way of Trumps wall (who remembers that ?)

Does reasoned debate include sticking to verifiable facts such as that there is no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker?

Well that makes two of us then.

Do you mean why do a few people on this thread not get that in law it is irrelevant to an asylum claim which countries one might have travelled through?

Is it some kind of Schrodinger's immigration policy for Schrodinger's immigrant who comes here lives on benefits and takes our jobs?

Its not going to get resolved unless the UK has a better relationship with the EU and even then, i don't believe it would stop.

Surely it cannot of escaped anyone's notice that this issue has only risen to the levels it has since Brexit? How many crossed in 2019 compared to 2022?

Not only out of EU co op but out of any solutions inc Dublin Convention.

Hence Sunak going to meet Macron, who will not accept any economic migrants, so the Tory plan will fail as all their other ones have too.

Labour might get a better response from France in 2024 (if they win & thats a big if)

Well we have a former Egyptian minister as the treasurer of our governing party, who previously took money from Russia, so it really is probably not that implausible.

Labour are the opposition, not for them to solve problems of the Govt's own making, surely you understand that?

That's easy, I know the answer to that.
Anyone who doesn't agree with the far right is a Labour voter.

And drinks champagne, apparently. Or prosecco, but that is a bit infra dig.

Mind you, Keir had a beer, so where does he fit in to it all?

So you aren't going to be able to provide a link to the details of Labour's free for all immigration policy. Thought not.

At least its honest. Admitting to not caring about the plight of some of the world's most deprived persecuted people is refreshing honesty.

I’m not sure about it just being Brexit the highest number was in 2002

The annual number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132. In 2022 74,751

So it is high again but even prior to Brexit it has been around the same.

Listening to Times radio today they did a piece on Rishi getting on with Macron and Ursula, especially the former whom he has a lot in common with and also Biden - not as much yet but one thing in his favour is he seems to be liked.

We all know the proposed new immigration policy won’t come to anything anyway - the human rights industry will make sure of that. How many people on this thread alone work for a ‘charity’ and have their noses stuffed inside the trough? Nearly everyone against it, I bet.

It is all but Jeremy Corbyn's fault because he does not know what a woman is.

Also as top result

There were 74,751 asylum applications (relating to 89,398 people) in the UK in 2022, a 49% increase from 2021. The increase in applications is likely to be due to the continued global increase in the number of people displaced due to war and conflict.

Global increase won’t just be impacting our numbers

Does not working for a charity mean that one is automatically incapable of caring for the plight of those who are being persecuated in their home countries?

So labour managed to reduce asylum from 84,123 in 2002 to 17,916 in 2010

The annual number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132. After that the number fell sharply to reach a twenty-year low point of 17,916 in 2010. It rose steadily throughout the 2010s, then sharply in 2021 and again in 2022 to reach 74,751 applications, the highest annual number since 2002

Human Rights industry?

Which human rights would you like to give up for yourself?

We’re also accepting more now than before. 88% refused at one point

That seems really high compared to current climate

The percentage of asylum applicants refused at initial decision reached its highest point at 88% in 2004. Since then, the refusal rate has been falling overall and was at 24% in 2022, its lowest point since 1990.

I was talking specifically about cross channel rubber boat migrants? Braverman today most certainly was.

Migrants coming here via a plane or claiming asylum after entering the UK for other reasons isn't the issue here.

I have long been Schrodinger's immigrant. I also Stole Your Men (well, one of them) and paid a fucking fortune to the Home Office for the privilege.

How many asylum applicants arrive by plane or arrive for other reasons but then claim asylum?